Leo is overrated and he is only considered the best player oat bc he played insane for only 1 year if he didnt quit he'd fall off like any other pro that had an insane peak (tenz, yay, demon1)
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this is not a hot take
anyone putting him anywhere near the goat conversation has nostalgia glasses on, the guy hasn’t played for almost 2 years
2 international trophies puts you in a top 15 guaranteed I dont think thats overrated by any means
termtermtermterm [#5]2 international trophies puts you in a top 15 guaranteed I dont think thats overrated by any means
He's referring to how a lot of people say he's the best all time
are they though? I see Leo in like top 6 usually
markass_brownee [#6]He's referring to how a lot of people say he's the best all time
are they though? I see Leo in like top 6 usually
exactly
markass_brownee [#6]He's referring to how a lot of people say he's the best all time
are they though? I see Leo in like top 6 usually
peak leo is at least top 10 I would say, and considering there are only 8 players to actually win 2 trophies, by that standard he should be at least 8th all time, so 6 isnt too hard to understand
Idk I just don't think there that many players that have been top 5 players at 2 internationals and also have won 2 masters
Wasn't he insane for 3 years tho? And all the players you listed are either players fallen off due to their playstyle in the changing meta or players in teams that no longer provide them the necessary support for them like they are used to. Leo on the other hand doesn't have that many problems
termtermtermterm [#5]2 international trophies puts you in a top 15 guaranteed I dont think thats overrated by any means
i agree apart from TenZ since he had a 2 year banter era where he was playing but couldn't make any international
termtermtermterm [#8]peak leo is at least top 10 I would say, and considering there are only 8 players to actually win 2 trophies, by that standard he should be at least 8th all time, so 6 isnt too hard to understand
demon1 won the champs and reached masters final yet he is considered the most overrated player by many players
shrike- [#3]this is not a hot take
anyone putting him anywhere near the goat conversation has nostalgia glasses on, the guy hasn’t played for almost 2 years
not that many people put him as Goat he's just consistently put in top 10, what people do say is "If fnc had leo then..." and THAT IS ANNOYING
termtermtermterm [#5]2 international trophies puts you in a top 15 guaranteed I dont think thats overrated by any means
maybe, but he's got 1 Masters and a Mickey Mouse event so it doesn't apply to Le0
DivineGoonLord [#11]i agree apart from TenZ since he had a 2 year banter era where he was playing but couldn't make any international
depending on what you take into account(legacy, longevity, consistency, flexibility, multiple teams, etc.) TenZ could and realistically should be considered for top 10, but its all in opinion at the end of the day.
chasethefuture [#10]Wasn't he insane for 3 years tho? And all the players you listed are either players fallen off due to their playstyle in the changing meta or players in teams that no longer provide them the necessary support for them like they are used to. Leo on the other hand doesn't have that many problems
ppl used to say the same shit about demon1 https://www.vlr.gg/303651/demon1-won-t-have-a-tenz-yay-fall-off
ray_232 [#12]demon1 won the champs and reached masters final yet he is considered the most overrated player by many players
because he did so in 6 months and hasn't even made a regional playoffs since.
termtermtermterm [#19]because he did so in 6 months and hasn't even made a regional playoffs since.
and leo didnt even play after his peak
termtermtermterm [#19]because he did so in 6 months and hasn't even made a regional playoffs since.
And demon1 hasn't been nearly as good as Leo throughout his career. Peak Demon1 was barely better than prime leo, and he lasted a few months
ray_232 [#20]and leo didnt even play after his peak
leo had a pro career where he was on the mark for many teams since 2021, he just happened to click in 2023 with FNC
MrBlooBloom [#21]And demon1 hasn't been nearly as good as Leo throughout his career. Peak Demon1 was barely better than prime leo, and he lasted a few months
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ray_232 [#23]💀
bro trying to act like prime Leo didn't shit on Semen1 at Tokyo not once but TWICE
Leo was still the best player on Fnatic in 2024 stage 1, playing primarily Sova and Fade. We see duelists flash out, sure, but guys like riens and eeiu have been consistent in the role since 2024 started (ik they entered the league at that point, but I'm saying Initiatoris a fairly stable role. Look at Crashies up to now, and Sacy up to the end of 2024. They don'thave Leo's peak, but were constant on the role. It's not like Leo would gave to do anything differently, I doubt he would be in a "fall off" situation.
ray_232 [#23]💀
that's like objectively true but stay delusional if that's what you like
DivineGoonLord [#24]bro trying to act like prime Leo didn't shit on Semen1 at Tokyo not once but TWICE
He had only been in the tier 1 for 17 games before playing against him what did you expect 💀
ray_232 [#18]ppl used to say the same shit about demon1 https://www.vlr.gg/303651/demon1-won-t-have-a-tenz-yay-fall-off
people (aka 1 eg fan with his 1 upvote)
ray_232 [#28]He had only been in the tier 1 for 17 games before playing against him what did you expect 💀
what is demon1 doing now after gaining more experience?
fluked champs 2 years ago and been ass since despite playing for multiple orgs
that isnt the reason ppl put him high
ppl put him high cuz he has "coach's dream player" aura and is the goat initiator
DivineGoonLord [#30]what is demon1 doing now after gaining more experience?
fluked champs 2 years ago and been ass since despite playing for multiple orgs
(multiple orgs) nrg and lev who put him on perma smokes after 2 games
The thing is Leo was insane even before 2023, he was still so good in GUILD and when he was sick in 2024, thats why he is so glazed
ray_232 [#32](multiple orgs) nrg and lev who put him on perma smokes after 2 games
put on smokes because his raze gameplay is that of a silver player
DivineGoonLord [#34]put on smokes because his raze gameplay is that of a silver player
https://www.vlr.gg/428009/leviat-n-vs-mibr-champions-tour-2025-americas-kickoff-lr3 his last game on duelist
Leo has been insane since 2021 what are you talking about? Back when he was on Guild many in EMEA were considering him as one of the best. Fnatic was just first team that he managed to win with.
ray_232 [#35]https://www.vlr.gg/428009/leviat-n-vs-mibr-champions-tour-2025-americas-kickoff-lr3 his last game on duelist
6/13 FK/FD STILL LOST SERIES????? warra stat padding performance from Semen1
DivineGoonLord [#37]6/13 FK/FD STILL LOST SERIES????? warra stat padding performance from Semen1
lost the series like what do u want him to do lmao this not about leo anymore ur just hating on demom1 lmfao
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