- Chronicle
- Leo
- Aspas
- f0rsakeN
- nAts
- Meteor
- Sacy
- Boaster
- yay
- Alfajer
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archetype [#6]Meteor should be above nAts and f0rsakeN no? 2 trophies + 1 MVP > 1 trophy + 1 MVP?
surely we're taking trophy count into account if Chronicle is #1
Maybe, but both nAts and f0rsakeN have additional value outside of just their fragging and individual performances - they're both IGLs and vibe merchants for their teams (both of these roles being super valuable) + f0rsakeN has an insane agent pool. If Meteor and f0rsakeN were in a bidding war I would expect orgs to throw more at getting f0rsakeN because of how much value he brings to a team (IGL, vibes, agents, fragging) - like the comment that 5 f0rsakeNs would be a great roster honestly might be true.
Shadow_Monarch [#8]
- Wardell
- TenZ
- nAts
- cNed
- Yay
- Aspas
- Leo
- Demon1
- Alfajer
- T3xture
The only Top10 true answer of all time.
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229fn [#5]yes, nats has been there since the beginning
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Alfajer
- Aspas
- nAts
- Leo
- Sacy
- Less
- Meteor
- TenZ
- Boaster
~15-16: f0rsaken
Ahnri [#17]
- Mako
- Aspas
- Leo
- Alfa
- Tenz
- Chronicle
- Foresaken
- Zmjjkk
- Meteor
everyone here has a trophy except for mako and he is top 1 tf
sentinelmain377 [#15]
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Alfajer
- Aspas
- nAts
- Leo
- Sacy
- Less
- Meteor
- TenZ
- Boaster
~15-16: f0rsaken
Less :skull:
Alfa > Leo
He was legit better in 2023 plus he has a champs top 6 and masters top 2 in the time Leo hasn't been playing. Pre-2023 Leo had a top 8 at 1 masters, with Alfa getting a top 4 at a masters and a top 6 in champs. Better longevity, better prime, better achievements, no clue why people put Leo above him especially 8 spots above him
femboyhater [#18]everyone here has a trophy except for mako and he is top 1 tf
I don't believe in trophies as a standalone benchmark. As long as you've proven yourself internationally, at least on part with trophy winners, you don't need a trophy to make my list. Especially in Mako's case.
ninetofivegrinder [#7]Maybe, but both nAts and f0rsakeN have additional value outside of just their fragging and individual performances - they're both IGLs and vibe merchants for their teams (both of these roles being super valuable) + f0rsakeN has an insane agent pool. If Meteor and f0rsakeN were in a bidding war I would expect orgs to throw more at getting f0rsakeN because of how much value he brings to a team (IGL, vibes, agents, fragging) - like the comment that 5 f0rsakeNs would be a great roster honestly might be true.
yeah but i mean trophies over everything, i feel like people with two trophies are just kind of automatically above anyone with 1 trophy, anyone with 1 trophy is above anyone with no trophy, and anyone with 3 trophies (chronicle) is above anyone with 2 trophies type shit ykwim
i saw this same rhetoric be used to exclude forsaken from top 10 lists but now we're bending the rhetoric so people with less trophies are above those with more trophies, like winning twice is no easy feat but to win twice on 2 different teams and be the mvp the second time around is a pretty big flex no?
in that regard i think sacy and meteor should both be above f0rsaken and nats tbh
sentinelmain377 [#14]braindamage.
I got brain damage watching aspas run his head into brick walls in toronto
trikecycle [#20]Alfa > Leo
He was legit better in 2023 plus he has a champs top 6 and masters top 2 in the time Leo hasn't been playing. Pre-2023 Leo had a top 8 at 1 masters, with Alfa getting a top 4 at a masters and a top 6 in champs. Better longevity, better prime, better achievements, no clue why people put Leo above him especially 8 spots above him
i agree with this but all the leo dicksuckers gonna downvote bomb my post
Wolfed [#4]Forsaken but no Derke 💔 recency bias moment
d0rke keke, left fnc bcz no money now hes isnt worth any
archetype [#6]Meteor should be above nAts and f0rsakeN no? 2 trophies + 1 MVP > 1 trophy + 1 MVP?
surely we're taking trophy count into account if Chronicle is #1
both nAts and f0rsakeN were igl'ing
ninetofivegrinder [#7]Maybe, but both nAts and f0rsakeN have additional value outside of just their fragging and individual performances - they're both IGLs and vibe merchants for their teams (both of these roles being super valuable) + f0rsakeN has an insane agent pool. If Meteor and f0rsakeN were in a bidding war I would expect orgs to throw more at getting f0rsakeN because of how much value he brings to a team (IGL, vibes, agents, fragging) - like the comment that 5 f0rsakeNs would be a great roster honestly might be true.
No way you just called nAts a vibe merchant lol
DU_Uxie [#28]No way you just called nAts a vibe merchant lol
Dude's giving inspirational speeches to his team and in some interview they literally said his teammates would follow him anywhere (including off a cliff). Perhaps emotional leader would be more fitting but same kind of role
archetype [#22]yeah but i mean trophies over everything, i feel like people with two trophies are just kind of automatically above anyone with 1 trophy, anyone with 1 trophy is above anyone with no trophy, and anyone with 3 trophies (chronicle) is above anyone with 2 trophies type shit ykwim
i saw this same rhetoric be used to exclude forsaken from top 10 lists but now we're bending the rhetoric so people with less trophies are above those with more trophies, like winning twice is no easy feat but to win twice on 2 different teams and be the mvp the second time around is a pretty big flex no?
in that regard i think sacy and meteor should both be above f0rsaken and nats tbh
Although trophies are definitely a factor, I don't think they can really be THE definitive factor. Using that reasoning the top 10 list would then just consist of Chronicle + everyone with 2 trophies - but that just seems ingenuous because then you're really just ranking the teams and snubbing a lot of good players and ignoring the value they bring. For me it's like having a trophy gets you in the door to contend for top 10 and after that it's just whatever value you bring to the table. Kind of like how stats gets players a trial for a team, but actually landing a job on a team depends on the performance in that trial.
ninetofivegrinder [#30]Although trophies are definitely a factor, I don't think they can really be THE definitive factor. Using that reasoning the top 10 list would then just consist of Chronicle + everyone with 2 trophies - but that just seems ingenuous because then you're really just ranking the teams and snubbing a lot of good players and ignoring the value they bring. For me it's like having a trophy gets you in the door to contend for top 10 and after that it's just whatever value you bring to the table. Kind of like how stats gets players a trial for a team, but actually landing a job on a team depends on the performance in that trial.
yeah but then I don't understand why Chronicle would be no.1 still, it should be Aspas when it comes to value to a team. Shit, f0rsakeN is, in my opinion, right now a better player than Chronicle. The only reason he's up there is nothing other than the fact that he just has more trophies compared to everyone else
And why is yay in this top 10 above Alfajer when Alfajer's value to a team is significantly higher? I would put someone like KangKang above yay.
archetype [#31]yeah but then I don't understand why Chronicle would be no.1 still, it should be Aspas when it comes to value to a team. Shit, f0rsakeN is, in my opinion, right now a better player than Chronicle. The only reason he's up there is nothing other than the fact that he just has more trophies compared to everyone else
And why is yay in this top 10 above Alfajer when Alfajer's value to a team is significantly higher? I would put someone like KangKang above yay.
Do you ever make a good take?
it should be aspas XD kekw
sentinelmain377 [#15]
- Chronicle
- Derke
- Alfajer
- Aspas
- nAts
- Leo
- Sacy
- Less
- Meteor
- TenZ
- Boaster
~15-16: f0rsaken
DRX fan bias is real
femboyhater [#18]everyone here has a trophy except for mako and he is top 1 tf
mako is the goat thats why
229fn [#5]yes, nats has been there since the beginning
meteor in 1 year time gap = 2 trophies
nats in 4 years = 1 trophy
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