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only point leo was ever better than alfajer in both their careers was lock//in
every other time, alfajer has been the best

alfajer should be further in the goat convo, top 3 or top 5 oat
leo maybe top 10

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tenz clears both all time

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Sami_on

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0/10 ragebait

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Effluxi

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cubert T0nz kek

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glittering_yard

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Winthrop University clears tenz

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This is true. Good job hanafuji.

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useless comparison

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shrike-

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one that should be made
alfajer showed today why he should be further in goat conversations over leo

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Wolfed

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Leo doesnt get a chance to show it bro

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so then why should he be further in goat conversations over alfa

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Congo1

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because he was a elite player when alfajer was still shitting in his diapers

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the only time before alfajer leo was ever relevant internationally was in guild 2022, and even then alfajer was on a better team and performing just as good

maybe leo would be higher if he was still in the league but he isn’t, and now alfa took his place

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Congo1

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leo solo carried fnc to two emea titles in 2024. Will never forget that legendary performance vs heretics

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Yeah that map5 breeze is pbb the greatest individual performance I've ever seen considering the context around it. It's more than just domination, it deeply forces respect

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No one will ever come close

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I’ll give you split 1 2024 because he was very good but alfa was always right behind him, it’s close but alfa is a little ahead of him all time

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Fr tho I do think Alfa is indeed underrated in the goat convo. We say Yay and Tenz were the most dominant players in their era but prime Alfajer was just as dominant individually. Comparison with Leo is however absolutely braindead

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zekken clears both

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WjFROST0

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the only thing zekken clears is china teams

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and adderall

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true, Alfajer was way more impactful than Leo

And somehow people put Leo #2 of all time and Alfajer not even top 10, makes no sense

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Leo deserves top2 but yeah alfa is def in the top 5

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zeek > both

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bro knows ball

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i mean we will truly never know how good Leo could have been since he basically got forced into retirement cos his illness so its hard to say but he was the best initiator in the world by far when he played

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and a few days before lock/in there was an earthquake in Turkey. alfajer was very affected

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Please watch what mini said about Leo in an recent interview. Until he paused in Q2 2024 he was "the closest player to play perfect Valorant".

Alfajer is insane mechanically... but he tends to have issues with util heavy agents. That's why he fits 101% on Sentinel - there he can do everything what he wants, just needs to play a bit slower.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMMh22ikCI8

Btw.: Afaik Leo is playing ranked again... so maybe comeback soon?! I hope so. Doesn't matter where.

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if Leo comes back and starts farming again he can be considered the goat, but as of now he just is kind of being overshadowed by an alfajer that still looks dominant

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he is coming back next year. maybe not at the start but he will.

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We will have to see

i doubt he comes back to fnatic but if he is actually grinding again then he will definitely be picked by some top tier team

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Imagine he goes to navi

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2 different types of players, its hard to compare them two

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You honestly right

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Nah Leo’s consistency was insane when he played

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and alfajer was still better.
Leo wasnt even trying to play winable retakes instead he was exit fragging.
Just because midget mini sucks him off it doesnt make it right

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Yes, Alfajer wins more duels where he shoudn’t. But he has more games where he switched off and there are some events where he does not play well

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Alfajer was always more impactful than leo.
Leo is stats person saves exitfrags doesnt play retake and doesnt even try to retake even if its somewhat winable.

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Both great, no need to compare. For GOAT comparison alfa needs to win champions

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Leo has amazing stats tho. It might not be too apparent when you watch the matches cuz he's not flashy (like Chron) but bro plays amazing fundamentals. He looks at the game in a way others can't see.

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both are great but the reason people rate leo so highly is more because of his game sense and util timings as opposed to his aim and fragging (not that he cant aim and stuff because he definitely can). alfa is also an insane player fs and i think it lwk underrated, but he also does overheat often-ish and he also doesnt seem to have the same mastery over some of the agents he plays like leo does.

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Less better

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People on this site hate Alfajer so much. The rat called clownshow has a big role in this

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Chron hard clears

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alfajer is a superteam merchant, boaster and Leo are not superteam merchants, Leo was good on guild. alfajer is nothing without boaster

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boaster is nothing without boaster tho

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alfajer is what makes the superteam
best player on two different iterations of fnatic

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Agreed. Just because a player can’t play for any given reason doesn’t mean their peak should be counted as multiple years of dominance.

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lol what? leo was definitely better in champs and for all the time he played in 2024. he was even arguably better in Tokyo and 2022 but I'd consider them equal in those

alfajer > leo

bro knows ball