And give the spot to Barcelona FC
Relegate koi
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cloudberry [#5]We'd get the first draw in franchising history
ngl this is so true lmao but hge might beat barca's record this split
Congo1 [#4]Barca suck and got no motion. Stupid idea
Barça bundle would most sold skin ever. That's like the main benefit xD
Mortadelo [#8]Barça bundle would most sold skin ever. That's like the main benefit xD
Also they're definitely better than koi at least
Galactc [#6]Either this or force them to relegate their management
1 That is not how it works
2 Their management is already new and very good
Galactc [#10]Also they're definitely better than koi at least
They ain't even better than Koi Fenix brother
Mortadelo [#13]They ain't even better than Koi Fenix brother
Tbh Koi should promete zachkappa, there is no reason to not made any roster change
Mortadelo [#13]They ain't even better than Koi Fenix brother
That team is better than the main team though
Delete KOI from existence, just give the spot to someone who actually wants to play.
Mortadelo [#11]1 That is not how it works
2 Their management is already new and very good
- You are right
- There's definitely someone who is sticking around every time they try to purge staff then who is in charge of teaching others they need to go if that is Barbar or someone not on the valorant team specifically something has to change and it's not the players
NO KOI SO GOOOOD TEAM VITALITY AND HERETIC IS TRASH KOLI BEST TEAM WORLD LIKE THEY SO GOOD LIKE ALL GAMER AND DFM THEY PRO TEAM THEY BSET NUMBER 1 U NOOB LOSER G2 NUMBER 2 BEHIND KOI KOI LITTLE UNLUCKY THAT ALL
Mortadelo [#13]They ain't even better than Koi Fenix brother
Facts and ironic that koi fenix is better than the actual koi t1 roster
darkog__ [#19]NO KOI SO GOOOOD TEAM VITALITY AND HERETIC IS TRASH KOLI BEST TEAM WORLD LIKE THEY SO GOOD LIKE ALL GAMER AND DFM THEY PRO TEAM THEY BSET NUMBER 1 U NOOB LOSER G2 NUMBER 2 BEHIND KOI KOI LITTLE UNLUCKY THAT ALL
Terrible bait -10/10
Mortadelo [#8]Barça bundle would most sold skin ever. That's like the main benefit xD
But noone watch them . No fans
goat1594 [#20]-KOI +FOKUS (not the roster but the org)
I'm not a KOI fan, but KOI as an org is 100 times bigger than Fokus
Zaba [#14]Tbh Koi should promete zachkappa, there is no reason to not made any roster change
I agree, although it's sad for Filu because he's not doing that bad
Congo1 [#23]But noone watch them . No fans
That's because they are on a smaller stage. Many valorant fans probably don't even know it exists.
But think about it this way, if you're a neutral fan from APAC, Americas or even EMEA and you tune in on an EMEA game and you see Barça, you're likely a 1000 times more invested on what happens than if your see 80% of any other current EMEA org. Either to support or to hate, free narrative and engagement
Sure, they wouldn't have a solid fanbase to go to the arena and shit because they lack the esport tradition. But it would def attract more viewers than GX or Apeks or many many other orgs
Galactc [#15]That team is better than the main team though
Eh, I think you underestimate the gap between tier 1 and 2. Filu and soulcas were frying everyone on tier 2 last year and look at them. It's not that simple
Galactc [#17]
- You are right
- There's definitely someone who is sticking around every time they try to purge staff then who is in charge of teaching others they need to go if that is Barbar or someone not on the valorant team specifically something has to change and it's not the players
I agree not having a clear transition can be an issue. But from what I understand and at least in theory, the management is not only solid, it's very proven one with all the success MAD and MRS have had
Mortadelo [#30]Eh, I think you underestimate the gap between tier 1 and 2. Filu and soulcas were frying everyone on tier 2 last year and look at them. It's not that simple
It depends on who you sign and for what reason the players that do really badly jumping from tier 2 to 1 tend to be very heavy statpadders idk too much about filu in t2 but from watching Soulcas on apeks he really doesn't seem ready for a team outside of apeks like I think he would have done better there than on koi because I don't think he's ready to jump into a new tier 1 team like that I feel like we can both nitpick tier 2 players that have dealt with this issue and either succeed or failed
Galactc [#33]It depends on who you sign and for what reason the players that do really badly jumping from tier 2 to 1 tend to be very heavy statpadders idk too much about filu in t2 but from watching Soulcas on apeks he really doesn't seem ready for a team outside of apeks like I think he would have done better there than on koi because I don't think he's ready to jump into a new tier 1 team like that I feel like we can both nitpick tier 2 players that have dealt with this issue and either succeed or failed
I mean soulcas did win Ascension, it wasn't just stats. I do not think Olizera would be better, I have a soft spot for Guardy but I'm not sure he is objectively better either.
My moves would honestly be Monster IGL in place of flyuh, and just fucking pray. (At least for next split if Monster has finished school)
Maybe ZachKappa in place of Filu or Guardy for soulcas, but idk
But either way, 2 of those changes at most at a time
Mortadelo [#29]That's because they are on a smaller stage. Many valorant fans probably don't even know it exists.
But think about it this way, if you're a neutral fan from APAC, Americas or even EMEA and you tune in on an EMEA game and you see Barça, you're likely a 1000 times more invested on what happens than if your see 80% of any other current EMEA org. Either to support or to hate, free narrative and engagement
Sure, they wouldn't have a solid fanbase to go to the arena and shit because they lack the esport tradition. But it would def attract more viewers than GX or Apeks or many many other orgs
People have said this about other football club esports projects before. Never do they really have any significant carryover from sports fanbase to comp video game fans.
It just never worked and it wont start now imo. Its something that sounds good in theory only.
More than Giants? Sure. But orgs like Gentlemates, KC, Koi, BBL, Joblife, Mandatory, Otakar type orgs will actually have a base and grow it with success. Influencers are the key.
Congo1 [#35]People have said this about other football club esports projects before. Never do they really have any significant carryover from sports fanbase to comp video game fans.
It just never worked and it wont start now imo. Its something that sounds good in theory only.
More than Giants? Sure. But orgs like Gentlemates, KC, Koi, BBL, Joblife, Mandatory, Otakar type orgs will actually have a base and grow it with success. Influencers are the key.
It has not been done, not at all tier 1 level like this and not by an organization by Barça. I don’t think people truly realize the difference between a top team like a Liverpool or a Bayern and an actual global rucking movement like Barça. The only sport team with similar pull is Madrid. Any other team is just not the same
This being said, I think we don’t agree. But I’m gonna try to make my point a little more clear.
1 I’m not saying football fans will start watching Valorant because Barça has a team. That’s just not realistic
2 I’m not saying they would have a bigger fanbase than Gentlemates, BBL or KOI. I’m saying the average Gentlemates and BBL fan would rather watch Barça than KOI. I’m saying the average BBL and KOI fan would rather watch Barça than Gentlemates. And the average Valorant fan would rather watch Barça than 90% of other Valorant teams that they’re not a fan of
They wouldn’t have a 100k viewer stream like Kameto, but people in general would care more, bigger engagement overall. Specially if they were somewhat decent
Galactc [#33]It depends on who you sign and for what reason the players that do really badly jumping from tier 2 to 1 tend to be very heavy statpadders idk too much about filu in t2 but from watching Soulcas on apeks he really doesn't seem ready for a team outside of apeks like I think he would have done better there than on koi because I don't think he's ready to jump into a new tier 1 team like that I feel like we can both nitpick tier 2 players that have dealt with this issue and either succeed or failed
Brother. Barcelona is Shit.
Spanish league is really bad right now.
And barca isnt even leading it...
There are no good Spanish players right now and barca is full of em
Mortadelo [#36]It has not been done, not at all tier 1 level like this and not by an organization by Barça. I don’t think people truly realize the difference between a top team like a Liverpool or a Bayern and an actual global rucking movement like Barça. The only sport team with similar pull is Madrid. Any other team is just not the same
This being said, I think we don’t agree. But I’m gonna try to make my point a little more clear.
1 I’m not saying football fans will start watching Valorant because Barça has a team. That’s just not realistic
2 I’m not saying they would have a bigger fanbase than Gentlemates, BBL or KOI. I’m saying the average Gentlemates and BBL fan would rather watch Barça than KOI. I’m saying the average BBL and KOI fan would rather watch Barça than Gentlemates. And the average Valorant fan would rather watch Barça than 90% of other Valorant teams that they’re not a fan of
They wouldn’t have a 100k viewer stream like Kameto, but people in general would care more, bigger engagement overall. Specially if they were somewhat decent
Once again. I understand the argument. I have heard it before. I have made it myself before. However after following various esports for 10 years never have i seen it manifest in reality. And there were many tries.
Why do Fener and Gala not pull more viewers in turkish league? Why did Schalke hardly pull german viewers in LEC which is in north germany? Why did PSG fail in league? Why did Barca never draw additional viewers in league or Valorant.
Do fanbases grow jumping from T2 to T1? Sure. But there already has to be a base level at the start. If you have nothing there isnt suddenly gonna be a big jump from nothing to something.
I just dont believe in it. If i were riot i would look into otakar. They seem to have huge potential for a big Spanish fanbase that actually watches valorant.
I would add Otakar if they can build the structures and financing and kick Giants. You dont need more than 3 Spanish orgs. Maybe 2 is already enough. Need a german one too.
goat1594 [#20]-KOI +FOKUS (not the roster but the org)
love Fokus but would do -GX +Fokus and half the roster is rly fine like Al0rante, Xuss and Lewis
Congo1 [#38]Once again. I understand the argument. I have heard it before. I have made it myself before. However after following various esports for 10 years never have i seen it manifest in reality. And there were many tries.
Why do Fener and Gala not pull more viewers in turkish league? Why did Schalke hardly pull german viewers in LEC which is in north germany? Why did PSG fail in league? Why did Barca never draw additional viewers in league or Valorant.
Do fanbases grow jumping from T2 to T1? Sure. But there already has to be a base level at the start. If you have nothing there isnt suddenly gonna be a big jump from nothing to something.
I just dont believe in it. If i were riot i would look into otakar. They seem to have huge potential for a big Spanish fanbase that actually watches valorant.
I would add Otakar if they can build the structures and financing and kick Giants. You dont need more than 3 Spanish orgs. Maybe 2 is already enough. Need a german one too.
I don't think those scenarios or teams are big enough to compare in this situation, I just think Barsa is big enough to make a difference. And I'm also not necessarily talking about numbers since it's not a 1 stream thing, it's a general thing, the bigger the stage the bigger the effect
And yes Otakar would pull more viewers than GX and TH for sure. But Otakar doesn't have that kind of structure just yet and I don't think that's what Mixwell is trying to do in the short term. It would also have to be a full spanish roster
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