Viewership and bundle sales.
Except masters, VCT matches viewership hasn't been impressive at all.
Bundle sales, this is most likely the reason why Riot is even thinking about reducing franchise slot.
If y'all can't even fix this, then y'all can forget about "fixing franchising".
thats because val isnt established as an esport. riot tried franchising thinking it already was, but it was early post-pandemic public. they made it too early
it's because there's no marketable personality or face of the league now that tenz has retired.
i think its good and bad at the same time
because it helps team to run there org but at the same time its the good t2 team that have to go through death tournament to get to tear 1 and there are many t2 org leaving VALORANT because of that
foythvlr [#2]thats because val isnt established as an esport. riot tried franchising thinking it already was, but it was early post-pandemic public. they made it too early
This is a likely explanation why franchising is like this, but this explanation provides 0 solution unless we're talking about riot removing franchising completely.
Yistyy [#3]it's because there's no marketable personality or face of the league now that tenz has retired.
Then it's time for riot to find someone organically.
People who downvoted you don't know shit, you spoke the truth bro.
eLxR [#4]i think its good and bad at the same time
because it helps team to run there org but at the same time its the good t2 team that have to go through death tournament to get to tear 1 and there are many t2 org leaving VALORANT because of that
Imo this feels like a half assed move from riot. Either you force the org's hands telling them to get serious or just abolish everything.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#7]Imo this feels like a half assed move from riot. Either you force the org's hands telling them to get serious or just abolish everything.
yes riot need to do something
IonlywatchvcjXD [#6]Then it's time for riot to find someone organically.
People who downvoted you don't know shit, you spoke the truth bro.
I agree, I think riot was pushing for kangkang but western fans don't really fw based on what I've seen.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#7]Imo this feels like a half assed move from riot. Either you force the org's hands telling them to get serious or just abolish everything.
also i don't get why theres no relegation in franchising except for ascension teams, orgs like furia, secret, koi, tyloo always play like dog but never get relegated
"Bundle sales, this is most likely the reason why Riot is even thinking about reducing franchise slot."
What do you mean by that ?
Yistyy [#9]I agree, I think riot was pushing for kangkang but western fans don't really fw based on what I've seen.
This is the main reason why I said organically haha
cxrsedval [#10]also i don't get why theres no relegation in franchising except for ascension teams, orgs like furia, secret, koi, tyloo always play like dog but never get relegated
I think one of the reason why is because of stability, viewership isn't in a safe spot, and losing one of the orgs especially successful in terms of viewership and bundle skin ones would make riot shit their pants.
Anguibok [#11]"Bundle sales, this is most likely the reason why Riot is even thinking about reducing franchise slot."
What do you mean by that ?
Free rider problem.
Just imagine a group project where the outcome is viewership and bundle sales, 5 members, a and b are doing great, the rest are shit. But the a and b are doing well enough that teacher don't give a shit. This misled the rest into thinking there is no need to improve.
This is the case with franchising every region.
Tbh we can even say EMEA, PACIFIC and AMERICAS are just free riding off of CHINA.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#14]Free rider problem.
Just imagine a group project where the outcome is viewership and bundle sales, 5 members, a and b are doing great, the rest are shit. But the a and b are doing well enough that teacher don't give a shit. This misled the rest into thinking there is no need to improve.
This is the case with franchising every region.
Tbh we can even say EMEA, PACIFIC and AMERICAS are just free riding off of CHINA.
They are also good seller in EMEA and AMER, I think KC and SEN has probably sell a lot
Anguibok [#15]They are also good seller in EMEA and AMER, I think KC and SEN has probably sell a lot
That means they are the performers, each region should have 3-5 of them, the rest? Probably not so good.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#16]That means they are the performers, each region should have 3-5 of them, the rest? Probably not so good.
So you are in favor of 6-6 ?
Anguibok [#17]So you are in favor of 6-6 ?
I'm in favor of removing franchising entirely tbh.
But realistically I just prefer riot to audit one more time.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#18]I'm in favor of removing franchising entirely tbh.
But realistically I just prefer riot to audit one more time.
If you do that that mean some T2 like Japan will simply disapear from T1, and make the cake smaller, it's important to keep franchise to ensure every big subregion is represented
Anguibok [#20]If you do that that mean some T2 like Japan will simply disapear from T1, and make the cake smaller, it's important to keep franchise to ensure every big subregion is represented
It made Japan T2 grow slower if franchising exists, and that slows Zeta and DFM( half affected) down. The amount of orgs choosing to ignore domestic talents and going for imports instead is enough to make me want to abolish franchising.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#21]It made Japan T2 grow slower if franchising exists, and that slows Zeta and DFM( half affected) down. The amount of orgs choosing to ignore domestic talents and going for imports instead is enough to make me want to abolish franchising.
Dont you think if ZETA and DFM, they would be no domestic talent anymore in the T1 ?
Anguibok [#22]Dont you think if ZETA and DFM, they would be no domestic talent anymore in the T1 ?
Rephrase that please 😅
IonlywatchvcjXD [#5]This is a likely explanation why franchising is like this, but this explanation provides 0 solution unless we're talking about riot removing franchising completely.
theres no short term solution tbh. riot quite literally killed most of storylines and rivalries before they could develop with time, which is what brings viewership (like loud vs optic). doesnt help that they limit trashtalk on stage. now we just have to wait for it to develop on current enviromment, but its harder because its much more "plastified"
IonlywatchvcjXD [#6]Then it's time for riot to find someone organically.
People who downvoted you don't know shit, you spoke the truth bro.
Crazy how Meteor has been the undisputed APAC goat and he isn't considered in these conversations.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#23]Rephrase that please 😅
No Franchise --> No JP org in T1 --> No JP player in T1 --> Less experience of T1 for JP player --> JP level get worse --> NoJP team in T1 etc
PrincePuma01 [#25]Crazy how Meteor has been the undisputed APAC goat and he isn't considered in these conversations.
He doesn't drive sales
Anguibok [#26]No Franchise --> No JP org in T1 --> No JP player in T1 --> Less experience of T1 for JP player --> JP level get worse --> NoJP team in T1 etc
It means they realize that it's time to stop relying on imports and actually grow, those are short term pains. Japan should've ditched imports right from the start, if they face the problem head on they can fix it early before it became too late.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#28]It means they realize that it's time to stop relying on imports and actually grow, those are short term pains. Japan should've ditched imports right from the start, if they face the problem head on they can fix it early before it became too late.
What if hiring only JP people will not be enough to qual in the long term ?
Anguibok [#29]What if hiring only JP people will not be enough to qual in the long term ?
That can only happen on the assumption that talent pool isn't growing. But that's not the case.
Anyways it's not as if hiring imports help japan either, no, Sc0rz is not a good example. Call it fluke or past glory, but to date Zeta went deep with full japanese, imports never achieved that.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#30]That can only happen on the assumption that talent pool isn't growing. But that's not the case.
Anyways it's not as if hiring imports help japan either, no, Sc0rz is not a good example. Call it fluke or past glory, but to date Zeta went deep with full japanese, imports never achieved that.
I have the number ofr premier, the number pool in Japan is one of the only that not increasing :/
Korea made x4 in 1 year
cxrsedval [#10]also i don't get why theres no relegation in franchising except for ascension teams, orgs like furia, secret, koi, tyloo always play like dog but never get relegated
its just that they want permanent fan so they support org how is good/stable
IonlywatchvcjXD [#13]I think one of the reason why is because of stability, viewership isn't in a safe spot, and losing one of the orgs especially successful in terms of viewership and bundle skin ones would make riot shit their pants.
yes yes that
Are you blaming the system of franchising itself for those problems and suggesting that getting rid of it completely is the better option (which in the first place I'm not sure how those problems stem from the franchising itself) or are you just pointing out so-called problems IN the franchise system and the fact that they need solutions? the connotation of your statement was a bit ambiguous to me so I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify.
Anguibok [#31]I have the number ofr premier, the number pool in Japan is one of the only that not increasing :/
Korea made x4 in 1 year
Number of premiers dont matter, there is a noticeable amount of jp radiants who never play premier. And they are good enough for that but chose to not join premier, yutaro is a good example.
Also cademy players offset the need for premiers
LULE [#34]Are you blaming the system of franchising itself for those problems and suggesting that getting rid of it completely is the better option (which in the first place I'm not sure how those problems stem from the franchising itself) or are you just pointing out so-called problems IN the franchise system and the fact that they need solutions? the connotation of your statement was a bit ambiguous to me so I'd appreciate it if you'd clarify.
The latter. #14
People are focusing on the wrong things
The essence of franchising is to reduce and control costs. More teams and more games = more costs, which grow faster than the growth of active players, who are a finite number.
So Riot reduces the number of matches, deemphasizes regional leagues, and puts the spotlight on the big events, which is why we have a stupid league that doesn't play a single round robin all year.
Viewership? If you have enough viewership for international matches, it doesn't matter, as long as you can create some big moments, some stories, some stars, and some cool tiktok clip craps at the biggest events.
What Riot cares about is cost-effectiveness, not the absolute growth of the sport. Faria likely told it like it is when he talked about rethinking franchising. He said Riot chose to franchise because the open circuit was too costly. and they wanted to give it a little more of a chance because the gap between tier 1 and tier 2 was so much wider than they expected. That's it.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#35]Number of premiers dont matter, there is a noticeable amount of jp radiants who never play premier. And they are good enough for that but chose to not join premier, yutaro is a good example.
Also cademy players offset the need for premiers
Premier give you an idea on the size of the playerpool and if the playerpool augment
The reason is because tenz retired.
Yay and demon1 are now mid.
ardiss unemployed.
Laz is now playing with vtubers.
EMEA doesn't exist.
Pooperex from WGaming to KEKWgaming.
FNS and boostio don't have anyone to carry their loud mouths.
NA t1 teams are filled with tier2 unknown bums, and their best team G2 have NPC personalities.
Too many roster changes. Casual viewers will instantly stop watching if they don't recognize any/most of the players.
They removed last chance qualifiers which is one of the most exciting parts of vct.
Shitty generic team bundles.
People who became jobless because of the pandemic now have jobs again so no time to watch vct.
Sideshow still bald.
Anguibok [#38]Premier give you an idea on the size of the playerpool and if the playerpool augment
While that is true, it's not the one and only metric.
Number of radiants is important. This is where is see Japan is starting to improve, indicating a rise.
Every amount of players = 1 radiant that means playerbase is increasing.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#27]He doesn't drive sales
True. Then it's gotta be ZmJJKK
Or Aspas
But I'm sure Zmjjkk is like ridiculously over with the Chinese crowd more so than anyone else is over globally
Yistyy [#3]it's because there's no marketable personality or face of the league now that tenz has retired.
KangKang Aspas Zekken Demon1 T3xture
NekoSugarGirls17 [#39]The reason is because tenz retired.
Yay and demon1 are now mid.
ardiss unemployed.
Laz is now playing with vtubers.
EMEA doesn't exist.
Pooperex from WGaming to KEKWgaming.
FNS and boostio don't have anyone to carry their loud mouths.
NA t1 teams are filled with tier2 unknown bums, and their best team G2 have NPC personalities.
Too many roster changes. Casual viewers will instantly stop watching if they don't recognize any/most of the players.
They removed last chance qualifiers which is one of the most exciting parts of vct.
Shitty generic team bundles.
People who became jobless because of the pandemic now have jobs again so no time to watch vct.
Sideshow still bald.
Biostar [#37]The essence of franchising is to reduce and control costs. More teams and more games = more costs, which grow faster than the growth of active players, who are a finite number.
So Riot reduces the number of matches, deemphasizes regional leagues, and puts the spotlight on the big events, which is why we have a stupid league that doesn't play a single round robin all year.
Viewership? If you have enough viewership for international matches, it doesn't matter, as long as you can create some big moments, some stories, some stars, and some cool tiktok clip craps at the biggest events.
What Riot cares about is cost-effectiveness, not the absolute growth of the sport. Faria likely told it like it is when he talked about rethinking franchising. He said Riot chose to franchise because the open circuit was too costly. and they wanted to give it a little more of a chance because the gap between tier 1 and tier 2 was so much wider than they expected. That's it.
To sustain those viewerships you need regional franchise , those numbers aren't just going to magically appear out of nowhere. If riot cares so much about cost then riot wouldn't even consider letting global esports as a franchise partner. Hell, there wouldn't even be 10 main partners on every region. The fact that riot doesn't reduce the number of regional franchise teams means it's not entirely about cost
Long term gain trumps over short term gain.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#44]To sustain those viewerships you need regional franchise , those numbers aren't just going to magically appear out of nowhere. If riot cares so much about cost then riot wouldn't even consider letting global esports as a franchise partner. Hell, there wouldn't even be 10 main partners on every region. The fact that riot doesn't reduce the number of regional franchise teams means it's not entirely about cost
Long term gain trumps over short term gain.
So Riot considered a 4+ LCK org during the franchise planning phase, and it was canceled due to backlash from other countries and some “disqualifying reasons”.
Regional distribution is like a lottery: even if there is only one team in your region, people cheer for them anyway. If you have 2 teams, it's 2x that, if you have 50, it's 50x that? No.
If you scratch your ticket and win, it will be good for Riot. But if you get blank forever, Riot won't care. That's ancillary income.
All good things come to international events.
It's ok Long term gain trumps over short term gain. But long term means 'small enough' and sustainable. They want you alive, but they don't really care if you're healthy or crippled.
NekoSugarGirls17 [#39]The reason is because tenz retired.
Yay and demon1 are now mid.
ardiss unemployed.
Laz is now playing with vtubers.
EMEA doesn't exist.
Pooperex from WGaming to KEKWgaming.
FNS and boostio don't have anyone to carry their loud mouths.
NA t1 teams are filled with tier2 unknown bums, and their best team G2 have NPC personalities.
Too many roster changes. Casual viewers will instantly stop watching if they don't recognize any/most of the players.
They removed last chance qualifiers which is one of the most exciting parts of vct.
Shitty generic team bundles.
People who became jobless because of the pandemic now have jobs again so no time to watch vct.
Sideshow still bald.
aspas KK still alive
IonlywatchvcjXD [#40]While that is true, it's not the one and only metric.
Number of radiants is important. This is where is see Japan is starting to improve, indicating a rise.
Every amount of players = 1 radiant that means playerbase is increasing.
Fair point, but I cant have the number of Radiant and Immortal per country no ? (If I could have it it woud be absolutely ammazing)
Anguibok [#47]Fair point, but I cant have the number of Radiant and Immortal per country no ? (If I could have it it woud be absolutely ammazing)
I think thats harder to track than tracking premier teams 😅.
But the easy way is just go to leaderboards and find them manually, which I always do everyw week or just when i feel like it. And some only played for 2 -3 acts.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#48]I think thats harder to track than tracking premier teams 😅.
But the easy way is just go to leaderboards and find them manually, which I always do everyw week or just when i feel like it. And some only played for 2 -3 acts.
Yeah but since you can't be exhaustive and create a lot of bias :/ because if we want to compare we need to know all of them, also being Radiant in Japan is easier than being Radiant in KR
Premier team is the least biased data sad fully T.T
No true face of the game
No rivalries (sen vs 100t dosen't count)
No storylines
Biostar [#45]So Riot considered a 4+ LCK org during the franchise planning phase, and it was canceled due to backlash from other countries and some “disqualifying reasons”.
Regional distribution is like a lottery: even if there is only one team in your region, people cheer for them anyway. If you have 2 teams, it's 2x that, if you have 50, it's 50x that? No.
If you scratch your ticket and win, it will be good for Riot. But if you get blank forever, Riot won't care. That's ancillary income.
All good things come to international events.
It's ok Long term gain trumps over short term gain. But long term means 'small enough' and sustainable. They want you alive, but they don't really care if you're healthy or crippled.
While it's true that international games are what makes riot money. It is false to think that minimal care should be put to regional franchising.
Long story short it's a PR risk and that will snowball all the way to international games
IonlywatchvcjXD [#51]While it's true that international games are what makes riot money. It is false to think that minimal care should be put to regional franchising.
Long story short it's a PR risk and that will snowball all the way to international games
It's rather interesting that Mr.IonlywatchvcjXD discusses PR risk. How much do you care about the drama and stories in other regions?
If you shine on the biggest stage, people will praise you for the path you've taken.
They'll act like they've always known.
And this game doesn't have an infinite lifespan, and Riot knows that. Riot doesn't own any real estate outside of LA. It's all leased.
The 'minimal care' is already happening.
The bottom teams play only 12 fucking games a year, does that make sense?
Look at the structure of stages 1 and 2. In 2025, you don't even have to play a single match against every team in the league to be the regional champion!
They already treat their franchise sub-teams as worthless garbage. Now they want to cut those team's own reason to exist.
I'm not talking about Riot's direction, I'm talking about what's already happened.
Biostar [#52]It's rather interesting that Mr.IonlywatchvcjXD discusses PR risk. How much do you care about the drama and stories in other regions?
If you shine on the biggest stage, people will praise you for the path you've taken.
They'll act like they've always known.And this game doesn't have an infinite lifespan, and Riot knows that. Riot doesn't own any real estate outside of LA. It's all leased.
The 'minimal care' is already happening.
The bottom teams play only 12 fucking games a year, does that make sense?
Look at the structure of stages 1 and 2. In 2025, you don't even have to play a single match against every team in the league to be the regional champion!
They already treat their franchise sub-teams as worthless garbage. Now they want to cut those team's own reason to exist.
I'm not talking about Riot's direction, I'm talking about what's already happened.
It is no wonder that Mr Biostar here thinks this way, you only think viewerships can easily swings with dramas and other shit like that.
When I said PR risk I'm talking about Riot. I'm sure you've heard about segmentation. Since you and riot care so much about those oh-so-precious international games I will fucking spell things out for you:
No matter the language , region etc, there are 2 types of viewers, international-regional viewers and international only viewers. And both have the same sub-segments , just start your way from the earliest game all the way to grand finals i.e; first stage watchers+ quarters only + semis only + grand finals only. Regional watchers is still a huge chunk of international viewers.
The same applies for international only viewers.
International viewers = international only + international-regional viewers.
Now remove one from the equation ( more importantly regional ones) and you get a disaster. And how to make sure that one does not remove themselves ? By not making them upset. How do you not make them upset ? Stop tampering with the region.
Riot can get away with tampering with T2 since barring few regions no one watches those anyways but what you shouldn't do is to anger your most loyal fanbase. This is what I meant with PR issue.
Or do I have to enlighten you what will happen when riot loses a huge portion of their international viewers?
Pixalfv [#42]KangKang Aspas Zekken Demon1 T3xture
I agree it should be one of those guys. It's just that casual fans don't really fw them much. Meanwhile tenz was an icon who bridged the gap for casuals to get into pro play. I hope they get to that level soon tho.
IonlywatchvcjXD [#53]It is no wonder that Mr Biostar here thinks this way, you only think viewerships can easily swings with dramas and other shit like that.
When I said PR risk I'm talking about Riot. I'm sure you've heard about segmentation. Since you and riot care so much about those oh-so-precious international games I will fucking spell things out for you:
No matter the language , region etc, there are 2 types of viewers, international-regional viewers and international only viewers. And both have the same sub-segments , just start your way from the earliest game all the way to grand finals i.e; first stage watchers+ quarters only + semis only + grand finals only. Regional watchers is still a huge chunk of international viewers.
The same applies for international only viewers.
International viewers = international only + international-regional viewers.
Now remove one from the equation ( more importantly regional ones) and you get a disaster. And how to make sure that one does not remove themselves ? By not making them upset. How do you not make them upset ? Stop tampering with the region.
Riot can get away with tampering with T2 since barring few regions no one watches those anyways but what you shouldn't do is to anger your most loyal fanbase. This is what I meant with PR issue.
Or do I have to enlighten you what will happen when riot loses a huge portion of their international viewers?
You're all pissed off. So what has Riot actually done with Tier 2? Nothing. They're just leaving it alone. They even said they're giving it another chance.
I didn't say anything about your tiny little dicky vcj. I have no interest in your parroting.
You said this thread was about franchising. So when I said “regional” I meant all tier 1 pacific only. Look at my first comment. I said Riot is reducing the number of franchises purely for the sake of tier 2. I didn't discuss whether or not that actually helps them.
As for “regional distribution”, I'm talking about having more than one T1 team per region, not some kind of VCL diversity, please.
I kept stating the argument that Riot doesn't really care about the lower tier 1 teams. it's not a good thing, but they're going to keep doing it.
that it's because they're not contributing to international cinema, not because they're just fanless shit orgs.
This happens every time I have an argument with you about tier 1. Why are you mad at me for tier 2 shit? If you want to call me names, just say what's on your mind.
Yistyy [#54]I agree it should be one of those guys. It's just that casual fans don't really fw them much. Meanwhile tenz was an icon who bridged the gap for casuals to get into pro play. I hope they get to that level soon tho.
Aspas is as relevant to Brazil as TenZ is to NA. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I believe there's at least not much of a difference
foythvlr [#24]theres no short term solution tbh. riot quite literally killed most of storylines and rivalries before they could develop with time, which is what brings viewership (like loud vs optic). doesnt help that they limit trashtalk on stage. now we just have to wait for it to develop on current enviromment, but its harder because its much more "plastified"
Agreed, Riot is very soft about any semblance of competitive trash talk. Valo streams is like preschool level with the words/things you can say. I'm all for not allowing ridiculous words, but they are something else
Biostar [#55]You're all pissed off. So what has Riot actually done with Tier 2? Nothing. They're just leaving it alone. They even said they're giving it another chance.
I didn't say anything about your tiny little dicky vcj. I have no interest in your parroting.
You said this thread was about franchising. So when I said “regional” I meant all tier 1 pacific only. Look at my first comment. I said Riot is reducing the number of franchises purely for the sake of tier 2. I didn't discuss whether or not that actually helps them.
As for “regional distribution”, I'm talking about having more than one T1 team per region, not some kind of VCL diversity, please.
I kept stating the argument that Riot doesn't really care about the lower tier 1 teams. it's not a good thing, but they're going to keep doing it.
that it's because they're not contributing to international cinema, not because they're just fanless shit orgs.This happens every time I have an argument with you about tier 1. Why are you mad at me for tier 2 shit? If you want to call me names, just say what's on your mind.
How tf am I mad at you talking about Tier 2 shit? We're talking about Tier 1 all the goddamn time. Now I'm "all pissed off" because you're accusing me of talking about something I didn't even try to talk about.
Riot can get away with tampering with T2 since barring few regions no one watches those anyways but what you shouldn't do is to anger your most loyal fanbase. This is what I meant with PR issue.
I literally said this. Do you even understand what it means??
I kept stating the argument that Riot doesn't really care about the lower tier 1 teams. it's not a good thing, but they're going to keep doing it.
At least we have something to agree on.
I suggest you reread my whole post
You should go back to school since your English is so horrible.
Here, some fucking clarity to mr illiterate
Regional = AMERICAS , CHINA , PACIFIC , EMEA
International = masters and champions
Anguibok [#20]If you do that that mean some T2 like Japan will simply disapear from T1, and make the cake smaller, it's important to keep franchise to ensure every big subregion is represented
Yes and no. It depends on what Riot is trying to do. If they are trying to promote their game in the most places, what they are doing now is one of the better ways. If they are trying to bring about a better esport, stop forcing 6 teams in a region that has 2 good candidates.
My guess is the former, they DO NOT care if the esport is any good, they only care that its an effective marketing/branding tool. Yes, those are not always but can be mutually exclusive.
Botfragger9000 [#59]Yes and no. It depends on what Riot is trying to do. If they are trying to promote their game in the most places, what they are doing now is one of the better ways. If they are trying to bring about a better esport, stop forcing 6 teams in a region that has 2 good candidates.
My guess is the former, they DO NOT care if the esport is any good, they only care that its an effective marketing/branding tool. Yes, those are not always but can be mutually exclusive.
To me it's important to have "everyone" represented ni the tier one, VCT is mush more intresting if we have diversity, even if the overall level is a little bit lower
Botfragger9000 [#57]Agreed, Riot is very soft about any semblance of competitive trash talk. Valo streams is like preschool level with the words/things you can say. I'm all for not allowing ridiculous words, but they are something else
exactly, i understand that they need some limits on how the teams get on each other nerves, but they really should be more willing to create this environments. like its not like players really hate each other most times, is just banter
I mean just looking it from an NA pov, we have so much young talent in tier 2, many of which have already proven they can hang in tier 1 but aren’t playing either by choice/because they couldn’t get a spot.
The problem is both in the recycling of talent creating constantly mid teams, and orgs like EG and C9 who are operating on a budget. I’m all for less franchising slots if it means we can cycle orgs in and out, because some of these teams are just becoming bottom feeders
IonlywatchvcjXD [#58]How tf am I mad at you talking about Tier 2 shit? We're talking about Tier 1 all the goddamn time. Now I'm "all pissed off" because you're accusing me of talking about something I didn't even try to talk about.
Riot can get away with tampering with T2 since barring few regions no one watches those anyways but what you shouldn't do is to anger your most loyal fanbase. This is what I meant with PR issue.
I literally said this. Do you even understand what it means??
I kept stating the argument that Riot doesn't really care about the lower tier 1 teams. it's not a good thing, but they're going to keep doing it.
At least we have something to agree on.
I suggest you reread my whole post
You should go back to school since your English is so horrible.
Here, some fucking clarity to mr illiterate
Regional = AMERICAS , CHINA , PACIFIC , EMEA
International = masters and champions
Okay, I read it again, and I apologize for the rambling. I'm writing this at 3am while feverishly typing on my VLR with influenza, so my intelligence is at monkey level. I admit it.
Riot thinks of this business from the top down. Bundles for 2024 T1, a team that couldn't have been more of an asshole, a team that no one watched because it was too painful to watch, sold more than Zeta, simply because fakers exist. The difference in Korean viewership between the 2024 Shanghai finals and the 2025 Bangkok finals was more than 2x. viewerships can easily swings with dramas and other shit. Locally, yes.
but historical viewership ranking is madrid, champs 2022, lock//in, champs 2024, Bangkok, and it's not consistent and doesn't grow much.
Think about the tampering that has been done to the league in the meantime. Every year has been a mess, but overall, the scene hasn't gotten worse or better before or after the franchise. It's the #2 FPS and #3 overall esport, and has reached its growth ceiling.
So Riot is going to get more hands on and cut what they don't need, which is why I say cutting, not growth, is the priority. They don't care about regional viewers, they'll cut off a limb, and it won't matter for a long time, that's all. but it will be no a huge portion of the audience is going to disappear no matter what.
Of course, the fanless organizations will be cut first, but not necessarily because they are free riders. Faria will sincerely believe that they are for tier 2.
Anguibok [#49]Yeah but since you can't be exhaustive and create a lot of bias :/ because if we want to compare we need to know all of them, also being Radiant in Japan is easier than being Radiant in KR
Premier team is the least biased data sad fully T.T
Korean server is independent has a much smaller number of users, so its easier. and the KR radiants are not used as a cutoff for professional teams. It's not worth much.
Pro oriented kids almost all play on asian servers, so they competing in the same environment(They usually prefer HK much more than Tokyo).
There is a bit of a mechanical disadvantage with a ping difference of 30+.
Yistyy [#3]it's because there's no marketable personality or face of the league now that tenz has retired.
Karon would be good no? A young star who as far as I know is pretty likeable?
alienista1 [#56]Aspas is as relevant to Brazil as TenZ is to NA. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I believe there's at least not much of a difference
kk is as relevant to chinese fans as tenz or aspas even more then them actually. normal non valorant players even know kangkang in china
EG_BanhMi [#65]Karon would be good no? A young star who as far as I know is pretty likeable?
lack of media presence tho ngl
Yistyy [#3]it's because there's no marketable personality or face of the league now that tenz has retired.
Nobody outside the US cares about Tenz dawg, he is just as famous as other players, Tenz is only seen as this "God face of Valorant" in NA
Aspas has a bigger following in Asia than Tenz
Stop the glaze
cioccolat [#68]Nobody outside the US cares about Tenz dawg, he is just as famous as other players, Tenz is only seen as this "God face of Valorant" in NA
Aspas has a bigger following in Asia than Tenz
Stop the glaze
You're underestimating the strangehold tenz had on the valorant community. It's not glaze, you can just look at the viewership numbers when tenz is on the server compared to when it's not.
EG_BanhMi [#65]Karon would be good no? A young star who as far as I know is pretty likeable?
You're right, I just don't think he has been too marketable for NA fans.
Franchising is very good for the game honestly it just needs to be a bit open thats all
500k for a regional league is very good for a child esport of 5 years in age
It needs to attract new people as retention will be good for a tac fps
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