THEY GOT THE HARDEST MATCHUP POSSIBLE IN ROUND 1???!?!??!?!?!??!?!? AHHHH ITS SO OVER
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NOOO DRX WTF WHY
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ParodyAccount [#2]i cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not
out of te sen and tl? sen is fs the best team
ParodyAccount [#2]i cant tell if you're being sarcastic or not
SEN beats TL, trace and T1 easily. im sorry to say. they have more star power potential with zekken, narrate and zellsis (it feels wrong to include zellsis here but he can carry so...)
ala [#4]out of te sen and tl? sen is fs the best team
debatable asf. Trace look incredible, TL looks pretty equal to Sen, I would favour sen > TL
EMEAstan [#6]DRX almost always starts off hot in tourneys S0N will be lightwork for them
i wouldnt say lightwork but yeah that is the only hope for DRX here. and that fact that DRX in groups is unstoppable.
unknown_trash [#7]SEN beats TL, trace and T1 easily. im sorry to say. they have more star power potential with zekken, narrate and zellsis (it feels wrong to include zellsis here but he can carry so...)
Every trace member is a shooter
TyIer [#10]People HARD Glaze Sen. They have Firepower, sure, but its Inconsistent most of the time and John on Initiator has had some bad calls, DRX Take it.
I'm sorry but SEN were 3 rounds away from winning against G2 with a massive veto disadvantage and playing LF & GF back to back. They def look the scariest from the #2's
GambleNats [#8]debatable asf. Trace look incredible, TL looks pretty equal to Sen, I would favour sen > TL
TL is not equal to Sen
Schneefeuer1 [#17]TL is not equal to Sen
If TL keep up their form Id give liquid a 40-60 compared to Sen
I give trace a 65-35 compared to sen
GambleNats [#19]If TL keep up their form Id give liquid a 40-60 compared to Sen
I give trace a 65-35 compared to sen
ok so youve just not watched any game this year sure
Schneefeuer1 [#20]ok so youve just not watched any game this year sure
ive watched every game but aight
BigTiddyMilf [#16]I'm sorry but SEN were 3 rounds away from winning against G2 with a massive veto disadvantage and playing LF & GF back to back. They def look the scariest from the #2's
G2 didn't look up to there usual par against SEN in that series. G2 when they are feeling it look like they have Radar of the enemy team, they would have slapped SEN.
TyIer [#23]G2 didn't look up to there usual par against SEN in that series. G2 when they are feeling it look like they have Radar of the enemy team, they would have slapped SEN.
they already did that on fracture and mostly haven, sen just had a way better showing it is not hard to admit that
ala [#4]out of te sen and tl? sen is fs the best team
SEN are not the best second seed by any means
Trace > Sentinels > T1 > Team liquid
unknown_trash [#12]i stand by what i said. SEN stomps actually.
trace is either underestimated or over glazed
nothing wrong with being the worst team at the most stacked event of all time
TyIer [#23]G2 didn't look up to there usual par against SEN in that series. G2 when they are feeling it look like they have Radar of the enemy team, they would have slapped SEN.
shut up
it was sen making g2 uncomfortable, you have no understanding of the game
stop garnering hate towards g2
gamergirl [#26]trace is either underestimated or over glazed
nothing wrong with being the worst team at the most stacked event of all time
trace are not the worst teams, unless u consider EDG one of the worst first seeds
NerfMaxima [#29]trace are not the worst teams, unless u consider EDG one of the worst first seeds
just not how it works,
EDG has nothing to prove in regionals, theyve won the biggest trophy in the game, they dont need to cross a mental barrier and win their first trophy like trace, vitality, liquid or g2 do
gamergirl [#30]just not how it works,
EDG has nothing to prove in regionals, theyve won the biggest trophy in the game, they dont need to cross a mental barrier and win their first trophy like trace, vitality, liquid or g2 do
Trace overall played a much better game than EDG did throughout the entirety of kickoff. Trace was even favoured in the grandfinals playing a cleaner game, imo EDG really just had individuals turn up at the right moments to win that Grandfinal.
I will say, I favour EDG to win any grandfinal over trace as they have a dogshit map pool
GambleNats [#8]debatable asf. Trace look incredible, TL looks pretty equal to Sen, I would favour sen > TL
you are out of your mind if you think Trace are looking good enough to beat sen and liquid.
NerfMaxima [#25]SEN are not the best second seed by any means
Trace > Sentinels > T1 > Team liquid
stop sniffing glue
NerfMaxima [#31]Trace overall played a much better game than EDG did throughout the entirety of kickoff. Trace was even favoured in the grandfinals playing a cleaner game, imo EDG really just had individuals turn up at the right moments to win that Grandfinal.
I will say, I favour EDG to win any grandfinal over trace as they have a dogshit map pool
EDG literally won champs because of their individuals, its like you trace glazers are finally realizing just how fraudulent EDG are.
And yes I do think EDG are the worst first seed and if it wasnt for DRX id even say theyre BY FAR the worst first seed. Theyre extremely inconsistent with their fragging and thats why they fail to ever do anything at internationals past the trash teams
TyIer [#23]G2 didn't look up to there usual par against SEN in that series. G2 when they are feeling it look like they have Radar of the enemy team, they would have slapped SEN.
G2 looked completely the same as the entirety of kickoff during that grandfinals dont even try lie to yourself. Even in the upper finals when sen played like straight dogshit G2 managed to lose and were close to losing so many crucial rounds however they just won off fragging cause sen couldnt hit a single shot or play a single clutch scenario.
G2 are not that good but that doesnt mean SEN arent the best second seed, especially considering how fast they improve historically, i dont doubt theyd be able to get into form and wash all the teams in this tourney
RA621H [#34]Doesn't matter, they eventually gotta beat everyone to win the tourney anyways
No time for the goat rookies to warm up :(
JustHunter [#40]EDG literally won champs because of their individuals, its like you trace glazers are finally realizing just how fraudulent EDG are.
And yes I do think EDG are the worst first seed and if it wasnt for DRX id even say theyre BY FAR the worst first seed. Theyre extremely inconsistent with their fragging and thats why they fail to ever do anything at internationals past the trash teams
EDG won champs because their individuals AND good macro, its impossible to fucking havw 100% winrate on 3 maps if you didnt have the best macro on them. it goes to show you didnt watch champs with ur eyes open or your brain working. If aim was all edg needed then they shouldve been more dominant on more maps. Also you havent been able to fluke a champions win with just mechanics since 2023 arguably even earlier, teams just arent that bad anymore. also also they failed to do anything at internationals before was due to having an different team
big shock, changing ur team, changes how good they are
NerfMaxima [#43]EDG won champs because their individuals AND good macro, its impossible to fucking havw 100% winrate on 3 maps if you didnt have the best macro on them. it goes to show you didnt watch champs with ur eyes open or your brain working. If aim was all edg needed then they shouldve been more dominant on more maps. Also you havent been able to fluke a champions win with just mechanics since 2023 arguably even earlier, teams just arent that bad anymore. also also they failed to do anything at internationals before was due to having an different team
big shock, changing ur team, changes how good they are
take my claims and bring them to the absolute extreme, thats the only way you even have an argument against me right now.
What team do you genuinely think would be able to make all the international events of an entire year and make it to the playoffs of a champions without any semblance of decent macro? Name me one single team.
"different team" 1 change*
"you cant fluke a win" Not a single time did i claim that
Bring a real argument next time
JustHunter [#45]take my claims and bring them to the absolute extreme, thats the only way you even have an argument against me right now.
What team do you genuinely think would be able to make all the international events of an entire year and make it to the playoffs of a champions without any semblance of decent macro? Name me one single team.
"different team" 1 change*
"you cant fluke a win" Not a single time did i claim thatBring a real argument next time
"you cant fluke a win" Not a single time did i claim that
Yes thats true you didnt say EDG fluked, you said EDG were Frauds, which is just as dumb
just how fraudulent EDG are.
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What team do you genuinely think would be able to make all the international events of an entire year and make it to the playoffs of a champions without any semblance of decent macro? Name me one single team.
this point is referring to?
How does this relate to my point. Im saying EDG has incredible macro in Champs and it was far worse prior to champs and in the 25 kickoff.
"different team" 1 change*
- Haodong was very bad in 2024, his intiator utility was dogshit, even the top 5 worse in a very weak chinese league, Haodong was nearly a bottom player at every international event, and his calls were horrid. They changed him for S1Mon who has some of the best utility in the world. its not minor at all.
- Nobody was also made IGL, which completely transformed him as a player, EDG's macro improved immensely quickly and Nobody ran it down a lot less, especially in champs
- EDG's coaching staff got changed as well. The antistrats brought together by the coaching stuff was far superior than what AfteR ever did and EDG no longer struggled as a team identity. (Just a reminder this team had KK playing smokes and intiator, Haodong playing smokes, intiator and sentinel, Smoggy playing every role in the game, Chichoo also flexing around a bit, just praying something would stick)
JustHunter [#38]you are out of your mind if you think Trace are looking good enough to beat sen and liquid.
Have you even watched Trace?
cloudberry [#47]Have you even watched Trace?
Yes, theyre more impressive than they actually are cause the teams they go against are garbage. Just watch them be a mediocre ass team in Bangkok.
Liquid and SEN on their stride look like absolute world beaters my guy, Trace on the other hand not so much
NerfMaxima [#46]"you cant fluke a win" Not a single time did i claim that
Yes thats true you didnt say EDG fluked, you said EDG were Frauds, which is just as dumb
just how fraudulent EDG are.
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What team do you genuinely think would be able to make all the international events of an entire year and make it to the playoffs of a champions without any semblance of decent macro? Name me one single team.
this point is referring to?
How does this relate to my point. Im saying EDG has incredible macro in Champs and it was far worse prior to champs and in the 25 kickoff."different team" 1 change*
- Haodong was very bad in 2024, his intiator utility was dogshit, even the top 5 worse in a very weak chinese league, Haodong was nearly a bottom player at every international event, and his calls were horrid. They changed him for S1Mon who has some of the best utility in the world. its not minor at all.
- Nobody was also made IGL, which completely transformed him as a player, EDG's macro improved immensely quickly and Nobody ran it down a lot less, especially in champs
- EDG's coaching staff got changed as well. The antistrats brought together by the coaching stuff was far superior than what AfteR ever did and EDG no longer struggled as a team identity. (Just a reminder this team had KK playing smokes and intiator, Haodong playing smokes, intiator and sentinel, Smoggy playing every role in the game, Chichoo also flexing around a bit, just praying something would stick)
EDG are fraudulent because their win in champs was just like Acend, it was 1 massive peak with every single player on the team and a moment of clarity for them. They will never pull of that kind of form ever again cause frankly its ridiculous how dominant they were compared to how they were playing just 3 games prior to the trophy lift. I mean just watch them over this year fall off or fall back into being an 8th place team
this point is referring to?
How does this relate to my point. Im saying EDG has incredible macro in Champs and it was far worse prior to champs and in the 25 kickoff
My point is that there is no team that will make the CONSTANT placements EDG have made with bad macro. Im simply saying that with their mediocre macro or ill give it to them, decent macro, they wouldnt have made it as far as they did. THey NEEDED this pop off that came from every single player on the team.
- I mean lets not even try to deny the fact that Chichoo had THE GREATEST performance out of any tournament hes ever played in and he was already a great player.
- Smoggy was winning them rounds they should never be winning CONSTANTLY
- KK was doing KK things all tournament long
- S1mon was round after round sending out some of the most consistently great breach support weve seen out of any breach player in the history of VCT
Like its a MASSIVE step up in individual performances to how they looked like in regionals and even in the groups. Theres a reason no one expected this because it was absolutely out of nowhere
Ill say they had really good anti against some teams so yea the coach change was also great but none of these things would be bringing them to the top 3 spot without the ridiculous overperformance from every single player on the team
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