when furia bombed out i didnt see an angry mob of Brazilians complaining about the vct schedule
when 100t bombed out there was a whole twitter fiasco of angry 100t fans complaining about the schedule. "6 month off-season they played 2 matches and now they wait til April 🤓"
sideshow video solos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HB6pGwENFzA&pp=ygURc2lkZXNob3cgdmFsb3JhbnQ%3D
I mean, I think that's more on Furia fans than 100T. If you're upset your team doesn't get to play, you have a right to your passion. They're incorrect, but telling a fan not to have feelings when their team doesn't get to play is just kind of dumb. You can be wrong, and still have a right to your feelings.
I don’t even know if that many Furia fans exist ngl
Every time I see Brazilians talk about Furia they are always roasting them and it seems like they don’t have the highest expectations
Another reason is that 100t had the hardest group and actually played well leading people to believe that they were a top team and could’ve done more given an easier group
Furia just got dominated
Asuna_Yuuki [#5]I don’t even know if that many Furia fans exist ngl
Every time I see Brazilians talk about Furia they are always roasting them and it seems like they don’t have the highest expectations
Another reason is that 100t had the hardest group and actually played well leading people to believe that they were a top team and could’ve done more given an easier group
Furia just got dominated
trembo 🗿
Asuna_Yuuki [#5]I don’t even know if that many Furia fans exist ngl
Every time I see Brazilians talk about Furia they are always roasting them and it seems like they don’t have the highest expectations
Another reason is that 100t had the hardest group and actually played well leading people to believe that they were a top team and could’ve done more given an easier group
Furia just got dominated
we got an example here xD
Froliccc [#3]Yeah I agree people were complaining more. I think its because the team showed more potential against a harder bracket. But I do think there should be something else for the teams that don't go to playoffs, kinda like a double bracket LCQ for play-ins or something...
Bro, 100T came 4th/4 in a tourney where only the top 2/11 matters. Enough is enough lol
Ballsamolee [#9]It is probably because they are complaining about 100T being in the group of death while furia lost convincingly to probably the supposed worst franchising team on paper
What about sen?? Theyre also in the group of death
AstroGalaxy [#15]What about sen?? Theyre also in the group of death
sen fans aren't complaining because they haven't been eliminated yet. once they will yall will complain trust
AstroGalaxy [#15]What about sen?? Theyre also in the group of death
If y'all get eliminated by Lev/loud I'm sure you would complain as well. (And I don't think you'd be wrong, sen is easily top 6 Americas lol)
Ballsamolee [#16]sen fans aren't complaining because they haven't been eliminated yet. once they will yall will complain trust
True
The_Cleg [#17]If y'all get eliminated by Lev/loud I'm sure you would complain as well. (And I don't think you'd be wrong, sen is easily top 6 Americas lol)
Yeah I feel for 100t fans bracket is shit
Orangepanda [#6]The Karen of VALORANT. NA fans always complain 😔.
3 things are inevitable in life:
Death
Taxes
Orangepanda obsessing about NA
The_Cleg [#17]If y'all get eliminated by Lev/loud I'm sure you would complain as well. (And I don't think you'd be wrong, sen is easily top 6 Americas lol)
both 100T and SEN are top 5 its just the way the cookie crumbles
Psion [#14]thats whats gonna happen when the owner complains lol, the root of the problem is nadeshot here
id be pretty pissed too if i was the owner of a dying org and basically throwing away money for a valorant team that doesn't show anything
Psion [#21]both 100T and SEN are top 5 its just the way the cookie crumbles
I mean idk about top 5 but ye they'd be top 6. That's what you get for having a shitty org like eg being the #1 seed or whatever
Ballsamolee [#22]id be pretty pissed too if i was the owner of a dying org and basically throwing away money for a valorant team that doesn't show anything
yeah but he was clearly mad at the schedule not his team
The_Cleg [#23]I mean idk about top 5 but ye they'd be top 6. That's what you get for having a shitty org like eg being the #1 seed or whatever
the general consensus on VLR has 100T top 5 so
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tXKKQFf7lpESWP945SLfFOE6UxDAtNZVhT72G2EH5MQ/edit
Psion [#25]the general consensus on VLR has 100T top 5 so
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tXKKQFf7lpESWP945SLfFOE6UxDAtNZVhT72G2EH5MQ/edit
I guess it feels right since they put on a great fight against Lev and sen
The_Cleg [#12]Bro, 100T came 4th/4 in a tourney where only the top 2/11 matters. Enough is enough lol
? Wasn't my point at all, don't care about my teams performance I just care that I can't watch them play for another 2 months. I enjoyed the round robin format it's way more entertaining week over week. I'm sure Furia fans, EMEA, Pacific losers feels the same, if Fnatic bombed out you would be annoyed too
JvRR [#20]3 things are inevitable in life:
Death
Taxes
Orangepanda obsessing about NA
*ASSIFIC is more entertaining than souless NA
Psion [#25]the general consensus on VLR has 100T top 5 so
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1tXKKQFf7lpESWP945SLfFOE6UxDAtNZVhT72G2EH5MQ/edit
yeah but general consensus doesnt mean shit. do you know how many months of "general consensus" that sen was a super team last year i had to witness. consensus will only ever measure hype. by virtue of the fact that the public lacks insider info public opinion will always run downstream of the actual development of teams just look at EG last year.
JvRR [#20]3 things are inevitable in life:
Death
Taxes
Orangepanda obsessing about NA
*ASSIFIC is more entertaining than souless NA
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#30]yeah but general consensus doesnt mean shit. do you know how many months of "general consensus" that sen was a super team last year i had to witness. consensus will only ever measure hype. by virtue of the fact that the public lacks insider info public opinion will always run downstream of the actual development of teams just look at EG last year.
yeah, that consensus was built up by SEN fans and was BEFORE sen ever played a match lol. this is the current power ranking of teams, so EG improving over time has nothing to do with it because at the start EG did suck
thenutoriousPRO [#27]cuz no one gives a fuck about furia and 100t is the biggest team itw
100t is the biggest team itw
demonstrably false but ok
Psion [#32]yeah, that consensus was built up by SEN fans and was BEFORE sen ever played a match lol. this is the current power ranking of teams, so EG improving over time has nothing to do with it because at the start EG did suck
so EG improving over time has nothing to do with it because at the start EG did suck
thats my whole point. power rankings by their very nature are out of date before they are ever published. We as viewers don't know how good a team actually is until we see them play. as such using consensus to measure the skill level of a team is inherently flawed. I brought up EG because teams do not become good overnight. odds are EG was much better than consensus believed and simply didn't have the results. Once the have the results consensus changed, but that change can only come after they are good. Using consensus means you are just looking at past results and assuming that they will predict future ones which as we saw many many many many many times previously (mibr vs NRG, NRG imploding at champs, KRU going on a run at LCQ, zeta division at reykjavik, FNC blowing up at champs, LOUD having a resurgence at champs, etc.) is an inherently flawed view to hold.
tldr: consensus will always be out of date. using it to claim a team is better than another is dumb because of that.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#34]so EG improving over time has nothing to do with it because at the start EG did suck
thats my whole point. power rankings by their very nature are out of date before they are ever published. We as viewers don't know how good a team actually is until we see them play. as such using consensus to measure the skill level of a team is inherently flawed. I brought up EG because teams do not become good overnight. odds are EG was much better than consensus believed and simply didn't have the results. Once the have the results consensus changed, but that change can only come after they are good. Using consensus means you are just looking at past results and assuming that they will predict future ones which as we saw many many many many many times previously (mibr vs NRG, NRG imploding at champs, KRU going on a run at LCQ, zeta division at reykjavik, FNC blowing up at champs, LOUD having a resurgence at champs, etc.) is an inherently flawed view to hold.
tldr: consensus will always be out of date. using it to claim a team is better than another is dumb because of that.
well at present day, 100T would beat all 6 teams under them so regardless of your rule this is at least an exception to it
Psion [#35]well at present day, 100T would beat all 6 teams under them so regardless of your rule this is at least an exception to it
i mean you can say that if you want but thats just speculation combined with armchair analysis ill wait until stage 1 when these teams actually play each other
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#36]i mean you can say that if you want but thats just speculation combined with armchair analysis ill wait until stage 1 when these teams actually play each other
except they aren't all playing each other so those matchups might never happen(this is completely unrelated to anything else just thought i'd bring it up)
i mean the format is bad. They essentially swapped the placement of one of the group stages with an LCQ like event. doesn't make sense to me why we wouldnt just swap kick-off with group stage 2 and make kickoff into an LCQ. That way the high stakes tournament is at the end of the season once all the teams have had a chance to prac properly and fully realize their identity. Its the same as last year it doesn't make sense to have a elimination tournament right off the bat since it essentially punishes teams that had a bad year and had to make a lot of moves or who ran into problems with acquiring players.
thenutoriousPRO [#27]cuz no one gives a fuck about furia and 100t is the biggest team itw
least delusional 100T fan smh
Psion [#37]except they aren't all playing each other so those matchups might never happen(this is completely unrelated to anything else just thought i'd bring it up)
wym? did they announce the details of the formatting of the group stages or are you just assuming its not going to be a round robin format? If they did announce it i hadn't seen it but if it isn't round robin that sucks. Regardless two games (and even less games for some of these teams) isn't really a good sample size to determine team quality esp when teams have just picked up players (i mean 100t is the prime example of this they've hardly had any time with their IGL)
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#40]wym? did they announce the details of the formatting of the group stages or are you just assuming its not going to be a round robin format? If they did announce it i hadn't seen it but if it isn't round robin that sucks. Regardless two games (and even less games for some of these teams) isn't really a good sample size to determine team quality esp when teams have just picked up players (i mean 100t is the prime example of this they've hardly had any time with their IGL)
the time frame for the regular season stages isn't long enough for every team to play each other
cristiadu [#10]we got an example here xD
Im not crying bro idrc
NRG is the only team I rlly care about
Psion [#41]the time frame for the regular season stages isn't long enough for every team to play each other
welp that is dumb. idk riot really fumbled this format. they have such a long off season with nothing happening and then condensed the entirity of the season into just 6 or 7 months (depending on if you make champs or not).
Psion [#41]the time frame for the regular season stages isn't long enough for every team to play each other
although the old two group format the sustainable option moving forwards but for just 11 teams they easily could've done a round robin
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#43]welp that is dumb. idk riot really fumbled this format. they have such a long off season with nothing happening and then condensed the entirity of the season into just 6 or 7 months (depending on if you make champs or not).
or they could go by a 4 day system instead of a week system
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#44]although the old two group format the sustainable option moving forwards but for just 11 teams they easily could've done a round robin
i'd rather just have lock\in as like a half masters and then a full group stage and then masters and then LCQ but could be just me. like one of the groups could be LOUD LEV NRG SEN 100T and then one of those teams would be fucked again
Psion [#46]i'd rather just have lock\in as like a half masters and then a full group stage and then masters and then LCQ but could be just me. like one of the groups could be LOUD LEV NRG SEN 100T and then one of those teams would be fucked again
like one of the groups could be LOUD LEV NRG SEN 100T and then one of those teams would be fucked again
well seeding is a thing (actually one of the few uses for consensus since thats pretty much the only metric available in the pre season) so that isn't as likely but any team that seems weak initially then turns up (heyo EG last year) could cause something like that. remembering back to 2022 there was always a somewhat stronger group but never enough that a team didn't make playoffs that actually had a shot a qualifying for the international event.
Psion [#45]or they could go by a 4 day system instead of a week system
that would probably cause issues with time conflicts for NA EU and APAC which they are super careful to avoid especially as we get up to the 14 team cap
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#48]that would probably cause issues with time conflicts for NA EU and APAC which they are super careful to avoid especially as we get up to the 14 team cap
there's defintiely a way to prevent time conflicts
The_Cleg [#23]I mean idk about top 5 but ye they'd be top 6. That's what you get for having a shitty org like eg being the #1 seed or whatever
I'd consider them a top 5, 6 can be argued, I don't know many teams that have been together a month and can take 2/4 best teams map picks convincingly
Psion [#49]there's defintiely a way to prevent time conflicts
I'm sure there is on paper but with productions in real life its so incredibly difficult to account for delays so practically probably not. i mean just look at this last week or so with all the tech pauses we've had not to mention even a series going long due to a couple overtimes or one really long one. This stuff isn't unheard of and is common enough to be a pretty big factor. You need redundancy built into schedules like this and a 4 day schedule would destroy that.
sdgdfdrgdrfgdrgdrfttdhy [#53]I'm sure there is on paper but with productions in real life its so incredibly difficult to account for delays so practically probably not. i mean just look at this last week or so with all the tech pauses we've had not to mention even a series going long due to a couple overtimes or one really long one. This stuff isn't unheard of and is common enough to be a pretty big factor. You need redundancy built into schedules like this and a 4 day schedule would destroy that.
thats a korea issue lol, just move pacific to japan problem solved
The_Cleg [#12]Bro, 100T came 4th/4 in a tourney where only the top 2/11 matters. Enough is enough lol
Fnatic Fans and Lacking Reading Comprehension gotta be like the new PB&J dawg
smthlikeyou11 [#57]how is this not racist
nothing is racist in sweden, just ask pewdiepie after the bridge incident
Psion [#54]thats a korea issue lol, just move pacific to japan problem solved
yeah thats just cope tech pauses happen in every region
Froliccc [#28]? Wasn't my point at all, don't care about my teams performance I just care that I can't watch them play for another 2 months. I enjoyed the round robin format it's way more entertaining week over week. I'm sure Furia fans, EMEA, Pacific losers feels the same, if Fnatic bombed out you would be annoyed too
I agree with what you said, but that doesn't mean that there should be a 4th place LCQ in a tournament where only 2 teams out of 11 go on.
You should be mad at Madrid's limited number of teams participating, not on the kick off match schedule not considering a 4th place LCQ
chick [#56]Fnatic Fans and Lacking Reading Comprehension gotta be like the new PB&J dawg
I'd rather say that the only one who did not understand the point of the message they commented on is you, #60.
Playins already are kind of an LCQ. You are promoting an LCQ for an LCQ. As I said, enough is enough. If you arrive 4th in a group of 4, it is clear that you have no chance to arrive 2nd/11. The only good point that you can make is that the off-season was too long, and kickoff + Madrid is too slow of a start to be enjoyable by fans of bad teams.
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