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Is it really that bad?

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#1
KRATOSmimir21

If SEN start Zellsis over pancada

Like yes Pancada is a way better smokes player. But Zellsis makes up with that rn in his calling, comms, and ideas. Im sure with time zellsis can also learn smokes no?

And this is not to say that I prefer one over the other. Both are great

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Nachtel
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have you played with zellsis?

#4
KRATOSmimir21
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If u watched SEN invitational streamers like Sideshow and other pros say, they mention how zellsis is a very good communicator.
You can also hear it on the rounds they listed for comms yourself.

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yoccuu
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yes they have been practicing with pancada for way longer

#5
Zerphyr1
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I mean you would have to be an idiot to sub a world champ but I get what u mean, individual skill isnt a problem for sen but rather communication and probably coaching and since zellsis was practically the igl for c9 as runi didnt even igl properly I think zellsis would be actually good if he maybe subbed on for sen a few times or sen tries what drx did with zest and foxy9

#6
KRATOSmimir21
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Yup exactly.
Im sure SEN have a reason and I dont think its terrible if they decided to go the Zellsis route. Oh well, lets see what happens lol

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Rey55
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That world champ argument is a bogus argument imo. Kiles, bonecold are former world champs too but they are irrelevant now, so might be c0m, boostio etc in another team. You can't transfer a players impact 1 to 1 in another team. Regardless, pANcada is a proven smokes player and he is a player who deosn't make very many mistake. If SEN wanted to experience with a new lineup they should have changed someone else.

#10
Zerphyr1
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MB I meant that other people often say "you would have to be an idiot to sub a world champ". Who else would they change tho? they wont get rid of tenz as they are paying him lots of money to even be on the team and he is actually a decent player. They aint subbing Johnqt out as he just joined and hes the igl. They aint removing zekken as hes sens best player and so its between pancada and sacy and I would say Sacy is better as hes been proven to be very good on many different teams and environments whereas pancada just sorta unknown until LOUD.

#11
Rey55
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My pick is sacy or tenz. sacy hasn't been performing for a while now and on top of that his mistakes actually cost them a lot of rounds. My second pick is tenz purely because his health issues. getting sick during events is a major problem and the team has to fully restructure and change plans cz of one player, Also, if they don't trust in tenz being a capable flex player then zellsis would be the easiest swap since he played flex roles previously. However, tenz on his day(which are most days) is far better than just 'decent'. Against heavyweight teams like PRX, FNC etc they would need a hard hitter like tenz alongside zekken. We have seen zekken is prone to slow starts sometimes and tenz is the one in those rounds to hold it down so that the match doesn't spiral out of control.

#12
Zerphyr1
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but they just simply wont sub tenz since he is worth the most on the team and is legit the face of valorant even if he was the worst on the team he still wont get subbed unless he was getting like 0.7 rating average

#13
Rey55
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I don't think that assessment is true. They were ready to drop him in 2022 even and his popularity has only dropped since then. Regardless, he isn't the weak link performance-wise, only his availability- wise. He has bad rep as being late to scrims etc. If those things are not an issue and they are willing to take the bet he will be fit in matchdays then sacy is the only weak link performance wise.

#15
Zerphyr1
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bruh they wont drop tenz and that is that

#16
VGG
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it was sykko who didn't want Tenz not Sen
Just compare how long it took for Sen to resign Tenz in 2022 with 2023, when he was instant resigned before the transfer window was even open
I bet you that's where the tension between Sykko and Rob comes from

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WhoseTao
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Even in 2022, they were stuck between him and Dapr for a while, this whole they won't drop tenz shit is stupid. The reason they might not drop him isn't because he is tenz but because he is genuinely a ridiculously good mechanical player with a room to grow, I mean essentially every pro player and analysts says that so how is it so hard for mfs on vlr to agree

#19
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Sykko's planned team was
dapr as a sentinel
zekken as a dualist
dephh as flex
Trent as initiator
marved as smoke
but Rob probably didn't want to give up on Tenz
There's a reason why Dephh was signed as Sentinel but later switched back to flex, thereby creating all the role problems for the team

#21
WhoseTao
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Having dephh playing one of the most aim demanding roles was a weird idea from sykko, also marved was planned from the start? I didn't know that tbh

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cartixuzi
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this isn't just about zellsis being the better fit for pancada, its the fact that SEN are still doing the same shit they did earlier this year and thats swapping their rosters 24/7 lol. Everyone thought SEN would listen now after dropping Marved and picking up JohnQT but now its ALREADY looking like Zellsis who literally joined as a 6th man to chill is going to replace Pancada, 2022 champs winner. It's actually fucking sad but the most comedic shit ever if you're not a SEN meatrider, VCT 2024 hasnt even begun yet lmfaooo.

#8
SaltyMcNulty
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It's not bad at all. You need an energetic and proactive player like zellsis but they shouldn't have replaced pANcada.

#14
Rugsssssss
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i feel like pancada is the way to go tbh, and there's always zellsis to fall back on IF there's problems in the season, i don't like this move

#18
cohnr
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if SEN were every behind with pancada, they never really recover because everyone is so low energy but with a play like zellsis the team can recover much easier because he never shuts tf up which is really good in the team environment imo (at least from the outside)

#20
babysasuke
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It’s that bad because Zellsis is a proven fraud, he’s the sole reason C9 didn’t win LCQ, and now his stock is rising because he beat T2 teams while TenZ and Pancada were sick.

SEN not making a single international with this dog ong

All he can do is yell and twerk 🥱 worst part is SEN might actually be stupid enough to start him because he’s better for content, a real shame that Valorant fans have a soft spot for grown men acting zesty and twerking 😭

#22
Xabrusca
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Zellsis > Tenz as flex

Pancada > Zellsis as controller

;)

#24
batchesttenz
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clout

#25
maevvlol
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u cant sub the face of a franchise are u a doughnut or mentally slow

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