tenz reykjavík

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why do people hype up his performance here so much

facts:

no group stage (only playoffs)
played 4 matches total
only played vs 3 teams with 1 of them never making another lan ever (NUTURN)
was on prime Jett with 3 smokes, recharge right-click knives + instant dash
nobody knew the meta at all (fnatic played sage on haven lol + NUTURN breach bind + raze/jett on haven)
tenz played 201 rounds at reykjavik. the navi team this VCT champions 2023 in group stage (NO PLAYOFFS) played 205 rounds

idk why people consider this "best prime/best performance"
theres been better performances if u give same amount of matches in tournaments to other players (nats/yay/chronicle/derke/Leo/cned.. etc)

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cope more buddy still clears ur fav player KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

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eduhefget

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And who's that?

Btw Tenz hasn't even qualified for Champions (maybe even Masters, idk) in two years pipe tf down.

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suck tenz harder

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t0nz

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yoyoyo_8382

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shutcho woke ass up

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☝🤓

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t0nz losing against moist x shopify is crazy 🤣

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This thread absolutely did not age well....

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2021 tenz was something else man u gotta admit it, he's not the best now but 2021 tenz was something

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bananacannon33

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was 2021 only reykjavik because berlin/champs (half the year) he didn't do anything and was outperformed by everyone

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nice try

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bananacannon33

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remove the F4Q games (played them twice cuz another team got covid I think?)

and only use the games against top opponents (G2/Envy)

he had 1.04 rating if you do that

but nt

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jawn

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let's apply the same context to a certain Fnatic player:

https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf
https://www.vlr.gg/248280/drx-vs-fnatic-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr2
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3

0.96 rating against actually good teams
does this make alfajer a fraud?

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bananacannon33

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sorry I misread what you said

"does this make Alfajer a fraud"

no because Alfajer had been and won multiple international tournaments prior to this tournament and put on crazy performances vs all the top teams of the world
this tournament he was ok. he had an insane game vs FUT but the rest of the games some underperformance. I wouldn't consider him a "top performer" for this tournament

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jawn

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i'd be surprised if you graduated elementary school with that reading comprehension

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bananacannon33

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sorry I fixed than you for pointing it out

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jawn

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i'm not trying to argue for or against that, just pointing out how misrepresenting and cherry picking statistics to support your narrative is dumb as fuck

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bananacannon33

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here's my point

you claim tenz was a top performer at berlin because of stats. but here's my point

here is a breakdown of tenz stats:

1.03 rating vs G2 (2 BO3s played)
0.96 rating vs Envy (1 BO3 played)

1.6 RATING vs F4Q (2 BO3s played)

can you really say with a straight face that tenz dominated berlin and was a top player there when he ONLY performed crazy good vs F4Q?

does farming 1 team in the tournament mean that he was dominant in a tournament with 16(15) teams?

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ACS289

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funny why not remove both the second g2/F4Q games ? why only the F4Q
Sen won their first two matches and was force to play 2extra
Tenz rating would be much higher

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bananacannon33

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I removed F4Q to emphasize the point that tenz's stats are inflated because of him beating on noobs for 2 matches
when you look at the stats you need to factor in opponent strength because if you dont then

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yoyoyo_8382

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buddy all u do is hate tenz u stupid fuck

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ACS289

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are you dumb ?if you want to remove matches remove both not only the matches that doesnt suit your narative idiot
btw F4Q were korea first seed at this time they beat drx/vision striker to qualify for berlin
the crazy part is idiot like you only want to remove matches from Tenz to suit your narrative but refuse to do the same for nats
he played crazy Crazy Raccoon 2xtimes in berlin lol

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bananacannon33

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and most Koreans will tell you that DRX is/was better they just choked vs them
this is not uncommon like when BBG or LG beat prime sentinels lmao

I told you clearly the reason I removed f4q is because they are noobs. not one player from them is pro anymore or in franchise, and 2 or 3 of the players never played another official after F4Q. and they played them TWICE (not because F4Q beat other teams like crazy raccoon but because of covid format situation)

and my point is proven even later as sentinels gets grouped in champs and tenz performances continues to decline

if we don't include opponent strength into stats, then nobody in VCT is the best player lmao it belongs to collegiate/GC players

"nats played crazy raccoons"

nats also played more matches and against better opponents and performed there too unlike tenz

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ACS289

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Sen choke in a qualifi for qualifi
Drx choke in a grand final that a huge different lol
your reason to remove f4q is nonsense ( f4q doesnt count because they are noob lol yeah dude noob who can qualify for Lan and almost beat g2)
if you want to remove weaker team from stats then do it for all not only for one player lol
btw gambit played 6 matches in berlin Sen played 5
and your much better better opponents were g2,envy(both team Sen also played) and vs (a team that f4q beat) rolf

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ok but you're missing my point entirely

im saying you can't consider tenz someone who dominated berlin when he only dominated 1 team total lol

tenz stats during berlin:
1.03 rating vs G2 (2 BO3s played)
0.96 rating vs Envy (1 BO3 played)
1.6 RATING vs F4Q (2 BO3s played)

nats played vs I believe 5 different teams and did well and won the event

even if you remove crazy raccoons, he still did REALLY well in the tournament stats wise

BUT if you remove F4Q, tenz does NOT do well at all in the tournament

thats the difference between the two.

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yoyoyo_8382

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common ACS 289 W

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ACS289

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he was the 5th rank best player berlin and 11 best player in champ nice outperform by everyone idiot

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tenz stats during berlin:
1.03 rating vs G2 (2 BO3s played)
0.96 rating vs Envy (1 BO3 played)
1.6 RATING vs F4Q (2 BO3s played)

fifth best player?

brother beating 1 team badly out of 16 teams doesn't make you 5th best hahaha

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ACS289

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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/466/valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin
try again dumbass and dont come with f4q was noob
by your logic gambit also only beat one good team idiot

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Bro comparing Iceland Tenz to lurk in a corner all game gamb0t/fraudnatic players kkkkkkkkkk (cNed, yay were clean tho)

go back and watch it, you'll immediately edit this post and take out the frauds from the list

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Also Champions 2023 demon1 clears all of their peaks and you didnt even mention him

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ratio 🤡

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yoyoyo_8382

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bros back

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KyLZi

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yo yo yo. Don't soil it. that time was special for us.

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KyLZi

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lol my b I did not mean to summon you

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who cares

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jawn

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"nobody knew the meta at all" is a blatant lie, also they were running off-meta comps with TenZ on Reyna

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bananacannon33

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how was that a blatant lie

EMEA didn't run astra much till that tournament and famously scream said sentinels ran astra good
fnatic didn't run double duelist which was meta at the time
tenz was reyna on icebox which was meta in NA at the time lol? have u never seen 100t with sauna on Reyna on icebox?

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reyna on bind was NOT meta, it also wasn't even remotely good in icebox
going by the same logic nobody even knows the meta now (PRX running reyna, LOUD triple controller, NAVI)

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bananacannon33

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"wasn't remotely good in icebox"

here's a list of teams who ran Reyna icebox before reykjavik

Cloud9 - Poiz
100T - Asuna
Sentinels - TenZ
NV - Banned Icebox before reykjavik
FaZe - Corey
EG - Roca
ANDBOX - Mada
Immortals - Shot_up

but ok keep lying

"nobody even knows the meta now"

my point is no region before reykjavik even played each other NOT once and had completely separate metas. now you play each other a lot and bootcamp in the regions. and there is established metas such as ascent/haven/bind/icebox (comps didnt change much in 2022 2023)

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didn't say nobody ran her, said she was really bad in icebox
so we go from "didn't know the meta" to "had completely separate metas", as if Sentinels defining the meta after Reykjavik with their playstyle and dominance is anything that takes credit away from them, Sentinels didn't play bad or dumb teams, they played teams they were massively superior to

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"didn't say nobody ran her, said she was really bad in icebox"

she wasn't bad on icebox considering the agents that were released at the time (no kay0/harbor/fade.. etc)

"didn't know the meta" and "had completely separate metas" aren't mutually exclusive

when I say separate metas is that each team of their respective region had a different approach. EMEA didn't play double duelist and did combo of sage/double init + ctrl/ Korea was doing a bunch of weird breach/sage comps .. etc. X10 was X10.

prior to this tournament even EMEA didn't use astra much and thought she was bad (when she had 5 stars/op abilities) and jett wasn't spammed.

was sentinels ahead of the meta? yes.
but this is because again not a single international tournament was played, and teams from other regions never played or scrimped vs each other.

this is why it's a discredit to sentinels because right after sentinels won and teams adjusted they fell off. they went from grand finalists not dropping a map to knocked out first round in playoffs by another NA team and then grouped in champs.

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jawn

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so what happens to every team to ever win a trophy isn't acceptable for Sentinels apparently, for a trophy to be valid you need to endlessly win every tournament after it

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bananacannon33

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no but context is important

this is the first international tournament ever between different regions on a brand new game

its a lot different vs a tournament 2-3 years later after 9-10+ internationals tournaments. especially consider again the teams NEVER played each other prior

surely you can see that lol

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sure, do u acknowledge the fact that Sentinels were so massively ahead of the entire scene on even playing field?
they didn't have ANY unfair advantage, they innovated and dominated, that's a very impressive achievement and they deserve the trophy and all the glory that came with the records they broke

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If it was that easy back then, why did no one else do it.

They were ahead of the meta, that's the way it works, go wipe your tears

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Vikings made it to Champions 21 and almost beat fucking Gambit (they were up 12-5 and then lost)

Tf you talking

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jawn

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the day sacy lost his hair

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Sage on haven is god

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god awful

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equal playing field for everyone and he outperformed them

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Sentinels were the only team that actually had some teamwork going on and moment people learned to play they became irrelavant. They were like CS Astralis but their time only lasted for 1,5 LAN events.

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when SEN does it "noone knew the meta"
but when optic does it "omg fns masterclass yes daddy"

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optic vs sentinels

optic/nv placings at international tournaments:

2nd Berlin
11/12 Champs 2021 (Victor covid unlucky)
1st Reykjavik
3rd Copenhagen
2nd Champions 2022

multiple metas (Double duelist -> Jett + double init (kay0 skye) -> Chamber + some Neon)

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sentinels placings

1st Reykjavik 2021
5-8th Berlin
11-12th Champs
proceeds to go 0-5 in VCT Challengers online

they only did well with 1 meta (double duelist)

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that all thank to chamber lol
1st Reykjavik
3rd Copenhagen
2nd Champions 2022

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what about 2nd at berlin? just a fluke or?

and ig nobody else had access to chamber rofl

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ACS289

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2nd at berlin while only facing non emea team until grand final lol

you:nobody else had access to chamber ?:
also you: Tenz was on prime Jett with 3 smokes, recharge right-click knives + instant dash

so nobody else had access to prime jett ?lol

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bananacannon33

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they did and it showed the following tournaments with sentinels as tenz's Jett fell off after 1 tournament (esp at champs)

unlike optic who remained consistent with chamber

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during that chamber meta, optic were built to win with a certain aim god, it's not nobody had access he just played better than all his opponents on chamber, the same logic applied in which tenz played better than all his opponents on jett in reykjavik.

2nd at berlin while having to play no actual good team, nv did outclass sen, and they got outclassed by gambit (could've went closer but imo gambit was undoubtedly the best team itw at its peak.

champs 2021 got outplayed by x10, the xerxia core which also ended up beating them in their first match at 2022 reykjavik lolz

ur argument "no one had access to chamber" makes no sense, yay was just better than his competition, but same goes for tenz who was better than his competition in the jett meta LOL

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"same goes for tenz who was better than his competition in jett meta"

optic remained consistent with chamber for multiple internationals even after making it "meta" unlike sentinels who after showcasing jett meta.. fell off in the same meta
tenz wasn't considered the best jett at berlin or champs (2/3 of the international tournaments of 2021) and then even in 2022 went 0-5 online with Jett only
teams from different regions undervalued jett. for example EMEA/SA would sometimes often run no duelist comps

take fnatic vs Liquid for example prior to Iceland
https://www.vlr.gg/16836/team-liquid-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-stage-2-emea-challengers-playoffs-gf/?game=31243&tab=overview

Liquid ran no duelist on Haven. Fnatic ran Raze on Haven

https://www.vlr.gg/19071/fnatic-vs-kr-esports-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-reykjavik-main-event-ur1/?game=34248&tab=overview

KRU ran no duelist on Haven / Fnatic finally switched over to Jett in Iceland after scrimming vs NA (they played raze entirely while in Europe)

https://www.vlr.gg/16831/fnatic-vs-guild-esports-champions-tour-stage-2-emea-challengers-playoffs-winners-b/?game=31228&tab=overview

Guild played Raze on Ascent lmao at this point

my point is this: sentinels was strong because they had a better read of the meta at the start. but once people started caught on, they quickly fell off faster than any other team. optic was the best at the meta, while sentinels just knew the meta first

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i do agree with point 1, sen got cocky, still didnt wanna play with a HC, and stuck to old strats which has been studied and analysed by pretty much every team (all the duties of HC was on shaz)

in no world did i mention he was the best at berlin nor champs nor did i say he was the best in 2021, i just mentioned he's the best at reykjavik. and i have not defended any statement pointing out he was good in 2022 at any point ( he had an insane fall off in 2022)

and as u say prior to masters. during masters was what i have been referring to.

teams from emea (liquid and fnatic) derke, jamppi ran over 100 rounds as jett (tenz ran less than 100 if my memory serves me correctly) derke played jett every single game at least ONCE, jamppi as well (the 2 jett players of the emea teams)

yes before they scrimmed against na, they ran raze comps, but they still switched over to jett.

i agree with ur point that sen fell off, but again, i said during reyjkavik he was the best. during jett meta he was quite good as well. just didnt have any accolades to show for it.

i agree with optic being best at the meta, i admitted that in my previous post. "yay was just better than his competition"

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too obvious of a bait King Tenz is the best player itw rn

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Amt of people taking the bait is crazy