Daily reminder that Americas has the worst fans. Sore losers from Brazil all the way to canada.
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alitmanus [#4]Brazil isn't the southernmost country in americas lil bro
ShiTMEA education strikes again
Uruguay and Argentina are cool. You guys are insufferable though.
alitmanus reading comprehension strikes again
Qwertyy [#5]clearly bro has never been in twitch chat during an apac match
why in the hell would I subject myself to such cancer?
hekzy [#11]Uruguay and Argentina are cool. You guys are insufferable though.
alitmanus reading comprehension strikes again
the most southernmost is chile not argentina
OMEGALUL
Qwertyy [#5]clearly bro has never been in twitch chat during an apac match
APAC fans aren't on VLR but spam YT or Twitch chat with the most hurtful messages
widepeepofrosty [#9]actual baby lulw crying at valulrant fans, imagine realizm and dark grapfix csgo, you would be bawling your eyes out
same applies to CSGO. The only difference in HLTV is that NA/SA fans have been in hiding for the past few years after being constantly dominated.
alitmanus [#14]the most southernmost is chile not argentina
OMEGALUL
they cool too. You guys are insufferable though.
hekzy [#19]they cool too. You guys are insufferable though.
Indeed I love my chilean friends
they're also better than any ShitMEA country at valorant
Leviatan >>>
firefirefirefire [#20]thats comic coming from EMEA lol
literally so much proof in this very thread. NA/BR fans are toxic and racist, and without provocation too.
hekzy [#24]^
Prime example guys.
Prime example of what? Ur the one who made a thread to cry abt fans
If u can't take banter, ur on the wrong site
alitmanus [#4]Brazil isn't the southernmost country in americas lil bro
ShiTMEA education strikes again
I see this alitmanus guy posting 24/7, basement dweller fr.
ax0788 [#28]I see this alitmanus guy posting 24/7, basement dweller fr.
here starts personal attacks cause can't debate
then calls americans toxic
moatz [#27]Prime example of what? Ur the one who made a thread to cry abt fans
If u can't take banter, ur on the wrong site
When EMEA fans banter: "waghhhh they're white supremacist fascists!"
When NA/BR fans are being toxic nationalists: "why are you so mad lil bro? it's just banter!"
hekzy [#31]When EMEA fans banter: "waghhhh they're white supremacist fascists!"
When NA/BR fans are being toxic nationalists: "why are you so mad lil bro? it's just banter!"
When EMEA fans banter: "waghhhh they're white supremacist fascists!"
Who has ever said that lmao??? Vro is fighting the voices in his head
EMEA literally contains MENA too. Nobody has talked abt "white supremacy" when dissing eu
moatz [#32]When EMEA fans banter: "waghhhh they're white supremacist fascists!"
Who has ever said that lmao??? Vro is fighting the voices in his head
EMEA literally contains MENA too. Nobody has talked abt "white supremacy" when dissing eu
you're the same idiot who kept talking about that one bait thread of "emea genes" for months. you ain't fooling anybody, kid
hekzy [#26]literally so much proof in this very thread. NA/BR fans are toxic and racist, and without provocation too.
bro your profile is full of toxicity, stop with the hypocrisy its embarassing
firefirefirefire [#35]bro your profile is full of toxicity, stop with the hypocrisy its embarassing
give me an example of this "toxicity"
hekzy [#36]give me an example of this "toxicity"
Lmao are you fucking serious?
Look at your first comments lol, shitting on NA every single day, this is just an example:
"I didn't switch shit. You are an idiot trying to twist words to fit your own dumbass interpretation. I said that since 90% of pro valorant is CS isn't it normal to assume 90% of valorant is from CS? It's the closest thing we can have to a statistic.
Anyway, I see you are an insecure overwatch NA fanboy butthurt that we've fused the words NA and Garbage in the same meaning for the past 20 years and 20 esports."
firefirefirefire [#37]Lmao are you fucking serious?
Look at your first comments lol, shitting on NA every single day, this is just an example:"I didn't switch shit. You are an idiot trying to twist words to fit your own dumbass interpretation. I said that since 90% of pro valorant is CS isn't it normal to assume 90% of valorant is from CS? It's the closest thing we can have to a statistic.
Anyway, I see you are an insecure overwatch NA fanboy butthurt that we've fused the words NA and Garbage in the same meaning for the past 20 years and 20 esports."
Very convenient that you didn't put the other guy's original comment in. Also very convenient that you went back 15 months to find a single comment.
alitmanus [#21]Indeed I love my chilean friends
they're also better than any ShitMEA country at valorantLeviatan >>>
Navi embarassed Lev...
hekzy [#38]Very convenient that you didn't put the other guy's original comment in. Also very convenient that you went back 15 months to find a single comment.
You asked for an example and i gave you one lol, if you want more just look at your profile
alitmanus [#4]Brazil isn't the southernmost country in americas lil bro
ShiTMEA education strikes again
firefirefirefire [#40]You asked for an example and i gave you one lol, if you want more just look at your profile
i'm 20 pages in my profile i still can't find it. meanwhile:
https://www.vlr.gg/user/moatz
https://www.vlr.gg/user/gamr
https://www.vlr.gg/user/alitmanus
and these are just people i found in this thread. You go into their profiles and you won't have to read past three comments to find the most racist/toxic/vile shit.
And that's the reality for the average NA/BR fan. These people are just examples and living proof that NA/BR fans are the most toxic and sore losers in the history of esports.
hekzy [#11]Uruguay and Argentina are cool. You guys are insufferable though.
alitmanus reading comprehension strikes again
lil bro, argentina is the most racist country in the planet, dont say they are cool. Whenever there is a football match in argentina with some brazilian team, the argentineans use negro/macaco(monkey) as insults to the brazilian people that goes to watch there, and its not just brazilians, they hate colombians bolivians, peruvians, mexicans, basically every other country "above" them. Even their president has some bad lines
Uruguay is whatever, seems nice actually
hekzy [#34]you're the same idiot who kept talking about that one bait thread of "emea genes" for months. you ain't fooling anybody, kid
u r actually braindead. what does that have to do with white supremacy?
nobody even mentioned race. u have the brainpower of a kid
zongolodongo [#45]lil bro, argentina is the most racist country in the planet, dont say they are cool. Whenever there is a football match in argentina with some brazilian team, the argentineans use negro/macaco(monkey) as insults to the brazilian people that goes to watch there, and its not just brazilians, they hate colombians bolivians, peruvians, mexicans, basically every other country "above" them. Even their president has some bad lines
Uruguay is whatever, seems nice actually
brazilians do the same lil bro
for example, there is a brazilian team called "gremio" that is known because its fans are racist
if you google "gremio racism" you will see several cases of racism by its fans
hekzy [#44]i'm 20 pages in my profile i still can't find it. meanwhile:
https://www.vlr.gg/user/moatz
https://www.vlr.gg/user/gamr
https://www.vlr.gg/user/alitmanusand these are just people i found in this thread. You go into their profiles and you won't have to read past three comments to find the most racist/toxic/vile shit.
And that's the reality for the average NA/BR fan. These people are just examples and living proof that NA/BR fans are the most toxic and sore losers in the history of esports.
yeah broki keep lying to yourself (or baiting me?), this site is lucky that Valorant is not so popular in Europe. if it was, people would know a fraction of what hltv and toxicity is.
hekzy [#44]i'm 20 pages in my profile i still can't find it. meanwhile:
https://www.vlr.gg/user/moatz
https://www.vlr.gg/user/gamr
https://www.vlr.gg/user/alitmanusand these are just people i found in this thread. You go into their profiles and you won't have to read past three comments to find the most racist/toxic/vile shit.
And that's the reality for the average NA/BR fan. These people are just examples and living proof that NA/BR fans are the most toxic and sore losers in the history of esports.
Just like 90% of the ppl on this site, I have said toxic things.
What have I said that is racist or vile though? Flaming eu is not being racist.
Get ur head out of ur ass
moatz [#50]Just like 90% of the ppl on this site, I have said toxic things.
What have I said that is racist or vile though? Flaming eu is not being racist.
Get ur head out of ur ass
don't waste your time responding this clown
shitMEA are most toxic and racist on this site
here's an example (he literally said brazilian women are "filthy")
https://i.imgur.com/HPFVzxK.png
and this guy got upfrags from other shitMEA fans kekw
Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
ortuh [#53]Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
- "education strikes again" is a meme
- everyone knows education in europe is better than South America
stop playing the victim you guys always resort to talking about criminality and poverty in Brazil you want to offend us
alitmanus [#52]don't waste your time responding this clown
shitMEA are most toxic and racist on this site
here's an example (he literally said brazilian women are "filthy")
https://i.imgur.com/HPFVzxK.pngand this guy got upfrags from other shitMEA fans kekw
wait wtf? there's no way that this hekzy mf is talking abt being racist/vile then
vro is literally projecting
ortuh [#53]Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
lol european being european, treating other nations as inferior beings as if they were the civilized lords, it never fails
alitmanus [#54]
- "education strikes again" is a meme
- everyone knows education in europe is better than South America
stop playing the victim you guys always resort to talking about criminality and poverty in Brazil you want to offend us
Its weird how you guys are so down to make jokes, you'd think we'd be able to joke with you about things as well without receiving death threats or being told to not play the victim (I am in no way a victim as my brain works and I can think independently outside of the country I was born in).
I think UK's education is pretty bad, I agree with you even if you are joking. As I am a functioning member of society and I don't gain any value from fighting for my country in online forums I take no offence in you stating if my countries education is good or bad, even as a joke.
"Us" talking about wealth inequality in your perfect country (I have never done this personally as once again, I gain nothing for fighting people about their nationality) shouldn't offend you, if its true, then its true and hiding from it and being proud of your country regardless makes you the problem, if it's false then once again it shouldn't offend you as it isn't real.
ortuh [#59]Its weird how you guys are so down to make jokes, you'd think we'd be able to joke with you about things as well without receiving death threats or being told to not play the victim (I am in no way a victim as my brain works and I can think independently outside of the country I was born in).
I think UK's education is pretty bad, I agree with you even if you are joking. As I am a functioning member of society and I don't gain any value from fighting for my country in online forums I take no offence in you stating if my countries education is good or bad, even as a joke.
"Us" talking about wealth inequality in your perfect country (I have never done this personally as once again, I gain nothing for fighting people about their nationality) shouldn't offend you, if its true, then its true and hiding from it and being proud of your country regardless makes you the problem, if it's false then once again it shouldn't offend you as it isn't real.
bro you can talk about our criminal rate on a politics forum
it's a forum about valorant, you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
lol
ortuh [#53]Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
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bonkashi [#18]how can you be a sore loser when you ain't losing?
liquid fan talking about losing lol
alitmanus [#60]bro you can talk about our criminal rate on a politics forum
it's a forum about valorant, you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
lol
it's a forum about valorant
Take your own advice, constantly talking about others educations and countries. Keep it about valorant in the future lil bro. leave the racism out aswell
xD1LL4N [#63]it's a forum about valorant
Take your own advice, constantly talking about others educations and countries. Keep it about valorant in the future lil bro. leave the racism out aswell
the difference is that I only talk abt these things in response to someone who brought up the subject
while you talk about criminality or poverty in Brazil simply to offend us when you get pissed because our teams are doing well in valorant (Poverty in Brazil isn't even that high lol. Brazil problem is unequality, not poverty)
alitmanus [#64]the difference is that I only talk abt these things in response to someone who brought up the subject
while you talk about criminality or poverty in Brazil simply to offend us when you get pissed because our teams are doing well in valorant (Poverty in Brazil isn't even that high lol. Brazil problem is unequality, not poverty)
Thats your default npc response to any comment.
You're the main instigator for the off topic comments.
xD1LL4N [#65]Thats your default npc response to any comment.
You're the main instigator for the off topic comments.
said the guy who created a thread defaming me just because he got pissed when I said Brazil was better at valorant than UK
MarcoDaPacoca [#57]lol european being european, treating other nations as inferior beings as if they were the civilized lords, it never fails
Me being European has nothing to do with my argument. If I was from anywhere else in the world I would also be ashamed of people from my country having delusional pride and fighting people online for literally no reason. To me the country/continent I was born in does not represent me as a person, and I am able to form my own unique thoughts outside of the country I was born in.
ortuh [#53]Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
letting a small population of people sway the way you think about the population of 2 continents? Not saying you are wrong for dong that but its hella ignorant.
alitmanus [#67]said the guy who created a thread defaming me just because he got pissed when I said Brazil was better at valorant than UK
Still deluded. I made the thread calling out your racism towards "foreigners"
bonkashi [#18]how can you be a sore loser when you ain't losing?
lol love this comeback. people take shit too seriously.
alitmanus [#60]bro you can talk about our criminal rate on a politics forum
it's a forum about valorant, you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
lol
you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
This is the issue. "You guys" . I have never said anything like this, so is it that you think everyone from the same country must share the same beliefs? I am truly in the mind that if you are discussing anything outside of valorant you are not in the right place, so why should I be lumped in with "you guys" and this us vs them narrative when I am here to discuss valorant?
Also if people are mentioning the criminal rate... why does it matter/offend you? Bad things are allowed to happen in your country, no need to be ashamed if its true, or angry if it isn't. It does not matter at all... and if you know people are doing it to annoy you, why do you do it back, to people who don't even engage with that in the first place.
ortuh [#73]you guys use our criminal rate to offend us bcuz you cant criticise us at valorant since we are chad in it
This is the issue. "You guys" . I have never said anything like this, so is it that you think everyone from the same country must share the same beliefs? I am truly in the mind that if you are discussing anything outside of valorant you are not in the right place, so why should I be lumped in with "you guys" and this us vs them narrative when I am here to discuss valorant?
Also if people are mentioning the criminal rate... why does it matter/offend you? Bad things are allowed to happen in your country, no need to be ashamed if its true, or angry if it isn't. It does not matter at all... and if you know people are doing it to annoy you, why do you do it back, to people who don't even engage with that in the first place.
it's just a metonymy, but if you never said that you're just doing your part
I never said it offends me, just doesnt make sense mentioning it when the matter is valorant
ZZZzzzz
zongolodongo [#45]lil bro, argentina is the most racist country in the planet, dont say they are cool. Whenever there is a football match in argentina with some brazilian team, the argentineans use negro/macaco(monkey) as insults to the brazilian people that goes to watch there, and its not just brazilians, they hate colombians bolivians, peruvians, mexicans, basically every other country "above" them. Even their president has some bad lines
Uruguay is whatever, seems nice actually
well, the only uruguayan person i met was racist towards me so idk what to think about that country either lmao. just latin countries in general tend to be racist, but argentine is really the worst
I_HATE_MCE [#51]They are all closet racists
Im studying in europe and most of them are cowards and hide their hate irl against muslims, blacks, south americans, asians but online theyre keyboard warriors
KyLZi [#69]letting a small population of people sway the way you think about the population of 2 continents? Not saying you are wrong for dong that but its hella ignorant.
its hard to find the correct signifier, I could say "some" instead of "most" or a word in between, but I am talking about the valorant fans that he'll be interacting with on this website so most would be more accurate due to this region pride cringe shit going on. HAHA EU > NA like who cares.
Obviously I treat everyone irl with 0 bias or prejudice because there is 0 chance i meet any of these basement dwellers anywhere else other than on this website. But on this website people are stuck in this positive feedback loop where they see people constantly battling between regions and think this is a normal thing to do.
ortuh [#78]its hard to find the correct signifier, I could say "some" instead of "most" or a word in between, but I am talking about the valorant fans that he'll be interacting with on this website so most would be more accurate due to this region pride cringe shit going on. HAHA EU > NA like who cares.
Obviously I treat everyone irl with 0 bias or prejudice because there is 0 chance i meet any of these basement dwellers anywhere else other than on this website. But on this website people are stuck in this positive feedback loop where they see people constantly battling between regions and think this is a normal thing to do.
its all good I understand what you are saying. I miss read a bit earlier.
I think what we see on these sites are the most hardcore of fans for whatever fan base and it gets heated. NA gets called shit (not in a constructive way) which is true but also that influences the people you have interactions with. Meaning if all they see is people talking trash they are less likely to have constructive meaningful conversations.
alitmanus [#58]I'm 1000 IQ you need a brain to debate against me
aint your case 🥱
bro said IQ instead of kgs
bonkashi [#18]how can you be a sore loser when you ain't losing?
fnatic fans when they win a single elim tournament 💀
KyLZi [#79]its all good I understand what you are saying. I miss read a bit earlier.
I think what we see on these sites are the most hardcore of fans for whatever fan base and it gets heated. NA gets called shit (not in a constructive way) which is true but also that influences the people you have interactions with. Meaning if all they see is people talking trash they are less likely to have constructive meaningful conversations.
yea thats why I was saying its a battle not worth fighting, there is no point in hekzy trying to change the way it is because its always gonna be like this as its a never ending
region 1 calls region 2 shit
region 2 sees this and calls region 1 shit
region 3 sees this and joins in
region 1 sees 2 regions call them shit and calls them both shit
It never ends
alitmanus [#47]brazilians do the same lil bro
for example, there is a brazilian team called "gremio" that is known because its fans are racistif you google "gremio racism" you will see several cases of racism by its fans
yes, but the difference is that, in brazil, while there is racism there are also people who know it is wrong and try to fight it, there are more people aware of it. In Argentina they don't have that, the majority are either racist or people who think racism is normal, no big deal. Racist terms like monkey are even used in the headlines of major newspapers in Argentina, as in the case of the newspaper "Olé" in Argentina, which at the time of the Olympics (1996), with Argentina already qualified for the football final and waiting for the definition of the another finalist between brazil and nigeria, posted a headline with the title "Que vengan los macacos" (let the monkeys come). If it were in Brazil, there would be a hell of a fuss, of course there would be people who don't think it's a big deal, people who even agree, but there are also people who know it's fucking wrong, something that doesn't exist in Argentina
zongolodongo [#84]yes, but the difference is that, in brazil, while there is racism there are also people who know it is wrong and try to fight it, there are more people aware of it. In Argentina they don't have that, the majority are either racist or people who think racism is normal, no big deal. Racist terms like monkey are even used in the headlines of major newspapers in Argentina, as in the case of the newspaper "Olé" in Argentina, which at the time of the Olympics (1996), with Argentina already qualified for the football final and waiting for the definition of the another finalist between brazil and nigeria, posted a headline with the title "Que vengan los macacos" (let the monkeys come). If it were in Brazil, there would be a hell of a fuss, of course there would be people who don't think it's a big deal, people who even agree, but there are also people who know it's fucking wrong, something that doesn't exist in Argentina
nah, you're just generalizing and falling for stereotypes.
Argentines are more open minded than brazilians.
ortuh [#53]Hekzy I 100% agree with you, but you have to realise most of the American fans are so brainwashed into nationalistic and patriotic thinking that it is impossible to speak to them on level terms. We can speak to each other about the flaws of European countries in a respectful and good faith upholding way, but when you talk to these people, the moment you criticize anything about them they see you as wrong/racist because they are so in love with their own nation/people that they aren't ever listening to what you have to say because they 100% believe their country is faultless. Its scary to see honestly.
People like alitmanus will call other countries education/culture shit without hesitation, but the second you say literally anything about brazil the flood gates of abuse open. This seems to be a culture issue (yes i am criticising it) and it doesn't matter how many posts you make its going to be the same. You are fighting a losing battle, just try not to interact with Brazilians/americans in any sort of discussion where you aren't in agreement; Life becomes much easier that way.
I will show you my perspective as a Brazilian on nationalism/patriotism. First, the two terms are different. According to wikipedia: Nationalism considers other nations and peoples inferior to the nationalist. Now, being a patriot implies loving your nation. I see, in the case of Brazil, that we are patriots. We love our people, who are warriors and, even against the shitty situation we live in, we try to make out of life something good and, even though life is more difficult than people in developed countries (for a lot of reasons) we still manage to fight head-on when it comes to sports and e-sports. We love our land, which is blessed by nature, our people, culture, everything, but we know that we are not perfect, that we are poor, that our politicians are corrupt and all that. Many Brazilians dream of moving to another country, either to study or work. But even with all that, we still love each other. Now, put yourself in our situation: imagine that someone, who doesn't know anything about you (foreigners have no idea what really goes on in our country and know nothing about our culture), speaks ill of something you love , I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole". You know your mother isn't perfect, your family has problems, your pet isn't perfect either and maybe the person who complained about them is right, but you love them, you can't stand someone, other than yourself, complaining about them. It's exactly like that with us Brazilians. We speak ill of ourselves, we have many internal intrigues, but when someone from the outside speaks ill of us, we go crazy.
About the US, I believe it is nationalism. I could be wrong, obviously, I'm not from there, but from the outside it seems to me that they simply feel superior, either because of economy, structure, historic questions, for whatever reason, but I feel a superiority complex coming from them. But I could be wrong obviously
zongolodongo [#45]lil bro, argentina is the most racist country in the planet, dont say they are cool. Whenever there is a football match in argentina with some brazilian team, the argentineans use negro/macaco(monkey) as insults to the brazilian people that goes to watch there, and its not just brazilians, they hate colombians bolivians, peruvians, mexicans, basically every other country "above" them. Even their president has some bad lines
Uruguay is whatever, seems nice actually
tbh i bring you
south korea
thatpower [#16]I mean if you remove sen fans, na isn't that bad. same with emea if you remove fnatic fans
and then theres apac where u have to remove indos, indians, pinoys, etc etc
alitmanus [#85]nah, you're just generalizing and falling for stereotypes.
Argentines are more open minded than brazilians.
yeah, their president has racist lines, their journalistic media has racist headlines... if you visit any argentinean twitter page you'll see them spiting racial slurs... i dont know, it is way too often to be just a generalization
zongolodongo [#88]I will show you my perspective as a Brazilian on nationalism/patriotism. First, the two terms are different. According to wikipedia: Nationalism considers other nations and peoples inferior to the nationalist. Now, being a patriot implies loving your nation. I see, in the case of Brazil, that we are patriots. We love our people, who are warriors and, even against the shitty situation we live in, we try to make out of life something good and, even though life is more difficult than people in developed countries (for a lot of reasons) we still manage to fight head-on when it comes to sports and e-sports. We love our land, which is blessed by nature, our people, culture, everything, but we know that we are not perfect, that we are poor, that our politicians are corrupt and all that. Many Brazilians dream of moving to another country, either to study or work. But even with all that, we still love each other. Now, put yourself in our situation: imagine that someone, who doesn't know anything about you (foreigners have no idea what really goes on in our country and know nothing about our culture), speaks ill of something you love , I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole". You know your mother isn't perfect, your family has problems, your pet isn't perfect either and maybe the person who complained about them is right, but you love them, you can't stand someone, other than yourself, complaining about them. It's exactly like that with us Brazilians. We speak ill of ourselves, we have many internal intrigues, but when someone from the outside speaks ill of us, we go crazy.
About the US, I believe it is nationalism. I could be wrong, obviously, I'm not from there, but from the outside it seems to me that they simply feel superior, either because of economy, structure, historic questions, for whatever reason, but I feel a superiority complex coming from them. But I could be wrong obviously
A lot of Americans definitely have a superiority complex but a lot of people realize it’s far from perfect and we aren’t better than anyone. The same is true for Europeans as well.
KyLZi [#66]shut up hypocrite. you always are, always have been and always will be.
Said Kylzi lmfao. Surprised you didn't use your casual shitMEA tag.
Xabrusca [#12]When EMEA lose they just become racist
Never said the opposite. But you don't see it in this forum. In HLTV Scandinavian nationalism and god complex hit so hard especially in 2013-2016.
But you have to take into account that they dominated back then. The problem with NA per say, is that win or lose, they will always misconstrue nationalism for patriotism. They will call you poor because you're from a bankrupt country, they will say Brazilians are just criminals from favelas (unless they need to steal Loud's achievements), indians third worlders and so on. They're never humble. It's the same for Brazil, but since you're also an oppressed country, no criticism must be given by another western country because you will flag it as colonialism mindset (however the fuck a person playing valorant from 2023 can have such a mindset). The prime example was the very constructive criticism about the Sao Paolo crowd.
moatz [#55]wait wtf? there's no way that this hekzy mf is talking abt being racist/vile then
vro is literally projecting
You dumbass that's from a user named Adrik
hekzy [#96]Never said the opposite. But you don't see it in this forum. In HLTV Scandinavian nationalism and god complex hit so hard especially in 2013-2016.
But you have to take into account that they dominated back then. The problem with NA per say, is that win or lose, they will always misconstrue nationalism for patriotism. They will call you poor because you're from a bankrupt country, they will say Brazilians are just criminals from favelas (unless they need to steal Loud's achievements), indians third worlders and so on. They're never humble. It's the same for Brazil, but since you're also an oppressed country, no criticism must be given by another western country because you will flag it as colonialism mindset (however the fuck a person playing valorant from 2023 can have such a mindset). The prime example was the very constructive criticism about the Sao Paolo crowd.
i aint reading all that. Go brush your teeth buddy
alitmanus [#85]nah, you're just generalizing and falling for stereotypes.
Argentines are more open minded than brazilians.
Everyone knows 90% of argentina is racist as fuck hes not exaggerating
soonwookong [#90]and then theres apac where u have to remove indos, indians, pinoys, etc etc
LOL bro apac is so weird. apac produces some of the best or absolute worst fans imaginable there's no inbetween
zongolodongo [#88]I will show you my perspective as a Brazilian on nationalism/patriotism. First, the two terms are different. According to wikipedia: Nationalism considers other nations and peoples inferior to the nationalist. Now, being a patriot implies loving your nation. I see, in the case of Brazil, that we are patriots. We love our people, who are warriors and, even against the shitty situation we live in, we try to make out of life something good and, even though life is more difficult than people in developed countries (for a lot of reasons) we still manage to fight head-on when it comes to sports and e-sports. We love our land, which is blessed by nature, our people, culture, everything, but we know that we are not perfect, that we are poor, that our politicians are corrupt and all that. Many Brazilians dream of moving to another country, either to study or work. But even with all that, we still love each other. Now, put yourself in our situation: imagine that someone, who doesn't know anything about you (foreigners have no idea what really goes on in our country and know nothing about our culture), speaks ill of something you love , I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole". You know your mother isn't perfect, your family has problems, your pet isn't perfect either and maybe the person who complained about them is right, but you love them, you can't stand someone, other than yourself, complaining about them. It's exactly like that with us Brazilians. We speak ill of ourselves, we have many internal intrigues, but when someone from the outside speaks ill of us, we go crazy.
About the US, I believe it is nationalism. I could be wrong, obviously, I'm not from there, but from the outside it seems to me that they simply feel superior, either because of economy, structure, historic questions, for whatever reason, but I feel a superiority complex coming from them. But I could be wrong obviously
i appreciate you taking the time to write this out. I understand where you’re coming from and agree with the patriotism vs nationalism part, my bad for grouping it together when they are very different.
I’m still of the belief that you can love something regardless of it’s flaws, i think we both agree on that, but I think where we disagree is on this.
I don't know, speak ill of your mother, your family, your pet, you'll go crazy, right? You will say "shut up asshole"
If someone from the outside who has never met my mum speaks ill of them it wouldn’t faze me at all because they obviously don’t know anything and me reacting to it puts me at their level. Obviously if we were out in public and someone said to her she was ugly/fat and it upset her I would be pissed, but if it’s just some random timmy from US who has lived a privileged life calling my country shit why should I care.
The thing that annoys me is the double standards and blatant ignorance a lot of Brazilians/Americans have when it comes to blow for blow. Like you are both allowed to shit talk other countries “because they do it as well” and enjoy doing it, all the while getting way too emotional and angry when they do it back.
hekzy [#98]You dumbass that's from a user named Adrik
Remember that thing you said about FNS?
Keep projecting 😹😹😹
alitmanus [#85]nah, you're just generalizing and falling for stereotypes.
Argentines are more open minded than brazilians.
tu quer pica e nao ta sabendo pedir
DarkraH [#105]tu quer pica e nao ta sabendo pedir
não seu retardado, eu morei em SC, conheci inumeros argentinos
a maioria de vcs nunca nem interagiu com um argentino na vida real
alitmanus [#106]não seu retardado, eu morei em SC, conheci inumeros argentinos
a maioria de vcs nunca nem interagiu com um argentino na vida real
tu conheceu um punhado de argentino e ta querendo vir aqui falar que o boy que ta generalizando, mama minha pica hipócrita do carai
alitmanus [#106]não seu retardado, eu morei em SC, conheci inumeros argentinos
a maioria de vcs nunca nem interagiu com um argentino na vida real
Se você conheceu um argentino que está em outro país, a probabilidade dele ser alguém de mente mais aberta é grande. Pegou uma amostra viciada.
Já morei na Argentina, e eles se enxergam como europeus, por isso cantam "viemos de barco", inclusive figuras importantes lá tem esse pensamento. Chegam a ter preconceito com brasileiro, e olha que o país deles tá na merda.
alitmanus [#106]não seu retardado, eu morei em SC, conheci inumeros argentinos
a maioria de vcs nunca nem interagiu com um argentino na vida real
Eu sou de SC (Joinvillense) e a maioria dos argentinos que eu conheci foram suave cmg tbm... mas online os cara são insuportáveis, principalmente em FPS e no Rocket League
kbkdark [#109]Eu sou de SC (Joinvillense) e a maioria dos argentinos que eu conheci foram suave cmg tbm... mas online os cara são insuportáveis, principalmente em FPS e no Rocket League
NOSSA REAL DEMAIS. No rocket league esses carai sao INSUPORTAVEIS, a cada 10 partida em 9 eu sou chamado de macaco.
divisionbell [#108]Se você conheceu um argentino que está em outro país, a probabilidade dele ser alguém de mente mais aberta é grande. Pegou uma amostra viciada.
Já morei na Argentina, e eles se enxergam como europeus, por isso cantam "viemos de barco", inclusive figuras importantes lá tem esse pensamento. Chegam a ter preconceito com brasileiro, e olha que o país deles tá na merda.
como se no Sul não fosse a mesma bosta
no Sul racismo é pior porque tem extermínio sistemático de negros
DarkraH [#110]NOSSA REAL DEMAIS. No rocket league esses carai sao INSUPORTAVEIS, a cada 10 partida em 9 eu sou chamado de macaco.
ah... mas aí entram os BRs fdp tbm, pq tem uns mlk que não da mano...
mas tem alguns argentinos que se salvam tbm, joguei um 3v3 uma vez que os mlk foram firmeza demais (eles até chamaram pra ser do time deles, mas eu n ia conseguir jogar os camp amador com eles, mas a gente ainda joga de vez em quando)
alitmanus [#111]como se no Sul não fosse a mesma bosta
no Sul racismo é pior porque tem extermínio sistemático de negros
tu da muito é o boga, certeza que tu é so um baba ovo do presidente
DarkraH [#113]tu da muito é o boga, certeza que tu é so um baba ovo do presidente
só tenho senso crítico e autoconsciência dos problemas do nosso país, ao contrário de ti
que faz parte desta estatística
https://sinpsi.org/brasil-tem-a-2a-populacao-mais-fora-da-realidade-do-mundo/
alitmanus [#114]só tenho senso crítico e autoconsciência dos problemas do nosso país, ao contrário de ti
que faz parte desta estatísticahttps://sinpsi.org/brasil-tem-a-2a-populacao-mais-fora-da-realidade-do-mundo/
brabo man voce é um genie
sj67atg6 [#62]liquid fan talking about losing lol
https://www.vlr.gg/173220/team-liquid-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-w1
+42 kek
Moiraine [#100]Everyone knows 90% of argentina is racist as fuck hes not exaggerating
Europe is also very racist, but they pretend they are not.
dex_ [#117]https://www.vlr.gg/173220/team-liquid-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-w1
+42 kek
Bud was having game of his life 😹😹
Dokka [#115]Toxicity is equal all around
Latam fans are pretty chill though
LATAM fans are chill true
Infernando10 [#118]damn alitmanus soloed entire shitmea 🗿
Obviously he doesn't solo anything. There is a horde of racist br/na fans in here downvoting.
Only difference being is that they can be openly racist because of their origin whereas I get 2 weeks ban for calling somebody an imbecile.
MaRvEdFanBoy1867 [#99]i aint reading all that. Go brush your teeth buddy
No arguments again. Great.
SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#43]
Point being I won't waste my time on twitch chat because idc + it doesn't have moderators on there banning you for two weeks because you called an openly racist person an "imbecile"
moatz [#32]When EMEA fans banter: "waghhhh they're white supremacist fascists!"
Who has ever said that lmao??? Vro is fighting the voices in his head
EMEA literally contains MENA too. Nobody has talked abt "white supremacy" when dissing eu
#12 btw. Literally 3 comments above you
honestly, we all are sore losers here, including EMEA. did you forget about how old FPX cried like babies because of riot's ruling on XSET turret?
but yeah, brazil is a sore loser too, NA too, LATAM too, pacific too. sore losers all over the globe, and i am included in this.
honestly, although i used old FPX as an example, the players are usually way more mature than the public about losing. we are the crybabies. this forum specially is a never ending source of tears. we all here do things we dislike when done against us. we all should be better.
hekzy [#127]#12 btw. Literally 3 comments above you
Take your L holy shit
You looks stupider and stupider with every reply zzzzzzzzzzzz
hekzy [#96]Never said the opposite. But you don't see it in this forum. In HLTV Scandinavian nationalism and god complex hit so hard especially in 2013-2016.
But you have to take into account that they dominated back then. The problem with NA per say, is that win or lose, they will always misconstrue nationalism for patriotism. They will call you poor because you're from a bankrupt country, they will say Brazilians are just criminals from favelas (unless they need to steal Loud's achievements), indians third worlders and so on. They're never humble. It's the same for Brazil, but since you're also an oppressed country, no criticism must be given by another western country because you will flag it as colonialism mindset (however the fuck a person playing valorant from 2023 can have such a mindset). The prime example was the very constructive criticism about the Sao Paolo crowd.
maybe not openly in this forum, but i dont think its a coincidence, and i do believe there are socioeconomic and racial prejudices that lead to people from some regions (poor regions) being more hated here, like brazil and india, as you mentioned in HLTV. and even NA and EMEA, who love to bicker each other, but truly have a more frenemy relationship in valorant, unite against poor regions. dont you think this is driven by racism?
ETA: i 100% agree with using Sao Paulo as an example. but here socio-economics play a part again, because although i think its ugly the crowd vanished to see fnatic crowning winners, a lot of people explained some stuff that were ignored: food was expansive and people were hungry, it was hot as hell, i saw a lot of people complaining about feeling dizzy and watching the game from outside the gynasium on their cellphones, the whole thing about transportation etc. obviously if loud won people would stayed. you endure more for the things you like, as the team you support. all those things are valid reasons that people from richer country dont seem (or dont want to) grasp. i still think its embarassing for brazil, but i can relate to the reasons that lead to it, while NA and EMEA just dont (or dont even try to listen, in some cases. some people really hate us and just want more fuel to do so. not everyone. every region has bad apples and i am not gonna make the same mistake some does of generalizing)
makewar [#131]maybe not openly in this forum, but i dont think its a coincidence, and i do believe there are socioeconomic and racial prejudices that lead to people from some regions (poor regions) being more hated here, like brazil and india, as you mentioned in HLTV. and even NA and EMEA, who love to bicker each other, but truly have a more frenemy relationship in valorant, unite against poor regions. dont you think this is driven by racism?
ETA: i 100% agree with using Sao Paulo as an example. but here socio-economics play a part again, because although i think its ugly the crowd vanished to see fnatic crowning winners, a lot of people explained some stuff that were ignored: food was expansive and people were hungry, it was hot as hell, i saw a lot of people complaining about feeling dizzy and watching the game from outside the gynasium on their cellphones, the whole thing about transportation etc. obviously if loud won people would stayed. you endure more for the things you like, as the team you support. all those things are valid reasons that people from richer country dont seem (or dont want to) grasp. i still think its embarassing for brazil, but i can relate to the reasons that lead to it, while NA and EMEA just dont (or dont even try to listen, in some cases. some people really hate us and just want more fuel to do so. not everyone. every region has bad apples and i am not gonna make the same mistake some does of generalizing)
Europe is an entire continent. You know how many different socioeconomic groups we have here? Honestly I've been called poor by even Indians and Brazilians just for my flag.
So in the sense of such prejudice, just look at how Balkan countries/eastern Europeans are treated in this forum.
hekzy [#132]Europe is an entire continent. You know how many different socioeconomic groups we have here? Honestly I've been called poor by even Indians and Brazilians just for my flag.
So in the sense of such prejudice, just look at how Balkan countries/eastern Europeans are treated in this forum.
Indians and Brazilians
so now its Americas and Asia bullying you?
Maybe youre the problem kkkkkkkkkkk
makewar [#131]maybe not openly in this forum, but i dont think its a coincidence, and i do believe there are socioeconomic and racial prejudices that lead to people from some regions (poor regions) being more hated here, like brazil and india, as you mentioned in HLTV. and even NA and EMEA, who love to bicker each other, but truly have a more frenemy relationship in valorant, unite against poor regions. dont you think this is driven by racism?
ETA: i 100% agree with using Sao Paulo as an example. but here socio-economics play a part again, because although i think its ugly the crowd vanished to see fnatic crowning winners, a lot of people explained some stuff that were ignored: food was expansive and people were hungry, it was hot as hell, i saw a lot of people complaining about feeling dizzy and watching the game from outside the gynasium on their cellphones, the whole thing about transportation etc. obviously if loud won people would stayed. you endure more for the things you like, as the team you support. all those things are valid reasons that people from richer country dont seem (or dont want to) grasp. i still think its embarassing for brazil, but i can relate to the reasons that lead to it, while NA and EMEA just dont (or dont even try to listen, in some cases. some people really hate us and just want more fuel to do so. not everyone. every region has bad apples and i am not gonna make the same mistake some does of generalizing)
Yeah no. Don't get me wrong, leaving after the match wasn't the worst thing. My biggest criticism for the crowd was it missing for every non-BR game, which ruined the viewing experience since there were so many hype plays, but not crowd there to support them.
And this is criticism towards BR eSports crowd. The world cup crowd for example was a spectacle.
thatpower [#16]I mean if you remove sen fans, na isn't that bad. same with emea if you remove fnatic fans
It's not just about team fans. It's about NA valorant viewers in general. There are people from all camps who are anticipating the moment an EMEA team loses (to anybody, APAC/LATAM/BR) in order for them to spread their vile hatred.
hekzy [#132]Europe is an entire continent. You know how many different socioeconomic groups we have here? Honestly I've been called poor by even Indians and Brazilians just for my flag.
So in the sense of such prejudice, just look at how Balkan countries/eastern Europeans are treated in this forum.
i do know but its still very different about third world country realities. i know greece has struggled many times, but you guys are EU members, you dont have to deal with having a currency that is worth nothing, for example. i dont want to dismiss greece's or other poorer european countries struggles, but yeah, you guys are usually not the one perpetuating hate agasint third world countries anyway. maybe because you can relate more, idk. but even on poorer countries, there's still can happen racial stuff. idk if greeks are seem as white in europe, but people from balkans/eastern europeans usually are (maybe not? in brazil they'd be white, but racial reading varies in different contexts) while we are still brown. even people considered white in brazil are seem as POC in US and EU.
and about being called poor by indians and brazilians, there are trolls and toxic people everywhere. i'd love to be poor in greece, seems like a lovely country, with amazing history and food. (ETA: "poor", i mean in the sense i am poor in brazil, i'd prefer to be poor in EU member country with lovely beaches and all. but it was insensible since idk about poor greeks reality)
i think its pretty dumb to generalize a region because there are toxic people from there, there are rotten people everywhere. i see you are smart, tho, so i expected more
hekzy [#134]Yeah no. Don't get me wrong, leaving after the match wasn't the worst thing. My biggest criticism for the crowd was it missing for every non-BR game, which ruined the viewing experience since there were so many hype plays, but not crowd there to support them.
And this is criticism towards BR eSports crowd. The world cup crowd for example was a spectacle.
i understand that, it was frustating for me too.
but tbh i only notice it happening early on. after playoffs, there was crowd for every match. yeah, more for brazilian and latam teams, yeah, some people left early to enjoy carnival, but there was still an ok amount of people, at least in my opinion.
imo, the problem is: lock/in was a really long tournament, there was many many games and i think its natural that people prioritized "better games" (end of tournament/teams they like). most people i know that went to lock/in had to travel or get a unpaied day off, so why would they want to see RRQ x FUT for such a high price?
we never had and probably never will, since lock/in was unique, a tournament as long as we had, so this was a new problem.
hekzy [#123]Tldr #82
never knew you could be this stupid
stop replying to everyone bro and end this
hekzy [#95]Said Kylzi lmfao. Surprised you didn't use your casual shitMEA tag.
lol proof you are a dumb human. never used that in my life.
unlike you I recognize that every region has toxic shitters emea is definitely included. you are acting like a winy little kid. "boo some mean men from another country said something mean" Grow up that shit happens everywhere. Just because you are viewing it from your perspective does not change anything. emea is not exempt from toxicity many of you have a severe superiority complex probably coming to CS.
But at least the sane people from emea are great to interact with. you are not one of them btw.
KyLZi [#139]lol proof you are a dumb human. never used that in my life.
unlike you I recognize that every region has toxic shitters emea is definitely included. you are acting like a winy little kid. "boo some mean men from another country said something mean" Grow up that shit happens everywhere. Just because you are viewing it from your perspective does not change anything. emea is not exempt from toxicity many of you have a severe superiority complex probably coming to CS.
But at least the sane people from emea are great to interact with. you are not one of them btw.
The point is who has the worst toxic shitters. And BR+NA wins the pot by a lot. Never seen more arrogant and toxic losers in my life. Yet, after so much shit talking, you all still claim that EMEA is the most toxic, a blatant lie. After all, this thread is proof in itself, as all the answers are just plain out toxic. Just people circle jerking shit takes.
"you are not one of them btw." You're hurting my feelings
hekzy [#140]The point is who has the worst toxic shitters. And BR+NA wins the pot by a lot. Never seen more arrogant and toxic losers in my life. Yet, after so much shit talking, you all still claim that EMEA is the most toxic, a blatant lie. After all, this thread is proof in itself, as all the answers are just plain out toxic. Just people circle jerking shit takes.
"you are not one of them btw." You're hurting my feelings
??? a subjective opinion? that's where the convo dies. I am not going to argue about your opinion about who has the most toxic people. Find some other person to argue nonsense with.
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