Harbor meta = LOUD

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Yessirskiiii

LOUD was the first team to see his potential. I think every single team gonna start running him on quite a few maps
Edit: never said LOUD was the first team to use Harbor. Just that they used him better than anyone else and made him meta

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Skuul13

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more like viper + harbor

the agent alone isnt that great
but i agree

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alitmanus

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TBK used it first in challengers on pearl
but we'll never know whether they were copying Loud

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makewar

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we know, they were

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dogidawg

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when nrg and loud cores play its a el classico with clones of their former proteges including one fpx player that stole a title from nrg and loud that wants to be nrg and loud so bad then u loud of viva loud ok, buddy.

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babysasuke

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thats some real wafflin

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dogidawg

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they say fenis i say saadcock, i say saadcock they say fenis.

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nutab1e

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fenis!

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babysasuke

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you are just further confusing me, my friend

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dogidawg

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oh buddy we can be more than just friends just watch you back. we can make that into a brimming ult

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Cresp

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Yeah loud has been really innovative this year: anti opp ascent comp with viper, gekko looking really nice on split, double wall on icebox pearl lotus and haven, and the single initiator skye meta.

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alitmanus

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they also made teams switch to playing cypher in breeze last year

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xD1LL4N

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Thats nAts credit ngl

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alitmanus

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I'm talking about 2022 when cypher was out of meta

nats was playing viper on breeze in 2022

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xD1LL4N

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cypher made a comeback once chamber got nerfed. it wans't a innoviative thing as teams used to play alot of cypher on that map

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alitmanus

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I love european egocentrism

lmao
the only team that used cypher at the time at tier S were loud and FPX, but FPX breeze sucked
while Loud had the best breeze itw

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xD1LL4N

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a new idea, method. thats what innovation.

they brought cypher back on breeze but it wasn't innovation compared to their Viper Harbor skye comps

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alitmanus

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I never said it was

when all teams were using chamber in maps like breeze and ascent, loud was using killjoy and cypher
they literally made Optic give up on chamber and use killjoy as well in grand finals

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xD1LL4N

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https://www.vlr.gg/130685/loud-vs-optic-gaming-valorant-champions-2022-gf/?game=95133&tab=overview

Nope yay was on chamber there

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alitmanus

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I meant on ascent.
in semifinals he played chamber
in grandfinals he played jett

continue thread →

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AladdinINSANE

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less was the one in 2022 to use cypher on breeze

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xD1LL4N

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Viper on Ascent was done before loud ever touched it ...

Loud can really only claim harbor viper skye comp tbf

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Cresp

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??? The viper ascent was a thing long ago but have you seen it played as it is now? Also it used to be a sova variation, they started the skye variation. Its not that they atarted it its that they proved how good it can be.

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xD1LL4N

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yes? Fnatic 2021 line up.

Loud copied alot of their viper walls

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Cresp

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V1 used it before then??? So whats ur point?

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xD1LL4N

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Loud were not innoviators with viper on ascent.

innovation - a new idea, method.
it was now a new idea

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alitmanus

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botnatic fan high on copium

you can create a team with 5 best players from 5 different countries, doesnt mean they're going to be innovative and smart
lol

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xD1LL4N

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LMAO cope.

5 different countries but they are all European.

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valulrantefanboy

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Lol no

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tuyz also looks really smart on the character which helps a lot, there's def gonna be a learning curve for lower level teams with IGLs that aren't as good. Very confident that s0m can become very good at it tho because it fits his playstyle.

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Mortadelo

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PRX actually, but we can't know because PRX played off season with harbor and LOUD didn't play off season at all

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thatpower

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geng played harbor/viper on icebox during off season too

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Mortadelo

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Yeah that's what I'm saying, we can't know who ran it first since competition didn't start at the same time for everyone

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Yessirskiiii

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Well i didn't mean the first team to run him. Just the first ones to use him to near perfection

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Mortadelo

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Well I mean, using it means you see his potential Ig, but obviously Loud does use it better, yes

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Yessirskiiii

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I guess i could of worded it better. But what i meant is that Harbor being meta is 100% all LOUD

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I thought drx was the first to use the harbour viper on icebox? But on all the other maps like pearl lotus etc it was loud that started it

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Kai__

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I still dont understand why his walls slow ally

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clawjiu

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same thing with skye

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DRX???