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Pancada about DRX

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#1
Rendzin

In a recent Brazilian podcast, Pancada talked about the DRX team and their matchup on Champions 2022. I translated for u guys (sorry for the mistakes):
"I think the DRX team knew how to use the skills, but not how to play FPS. When there were 50 seconds left to the end of the round, we knew that they would exec one spikesite. When there were 50 seconds left to the end of the round, I pulled the knife and rushed mid, because I knew nobody would be there, and everytime I was on their backs. They didn't have this malice, to dominate one area and go to another place. Until today, they don't have this malice."
He continued: "That's why, when you have to play DRX in the beginning of the tournament, it's very hard. But when you have VOD's of their last matches, things become easier, because they don't change their playstyle."

Share your opinions!
Upvote for the translation, plz!

Pancada's opinions about DRX (In portuguese): https://youtu.be/huRymoI8d3U

#2
TriQo
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I agree with pancada... DRX seems to always stick to their prep that most of the time they dont adapt when the other teams are heavy counter stratting them

#3
pitchfork
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absolutely agree

termi and stax did say (before champs) that they need to be more flexible. i think they did good on champs but meh in lock in (got countered hard on pearl, icebox, and ascent).

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ItsHunter
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He isnt wrong actually. DRX lack so many things on the strategic side but theyre all individually super talented. They need a new IGL cause Stax just isnt cut out for that role. Hes great early round and when it comes to setups but when it comes to macro and micro as well as midrounding he just doesnt seem to know what to do, especially in pressure scenarios.

#5
Shownu
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DRX playing League on Valorant

#6
Domination
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W, hope there is more of these kind of things, where pros share their opinions on other teams playstyle or strat, it's interesting

#7
lez
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This is why I don't think Foxy9 will be the solution for DRX. Yes, he is mechanically skilled and will be better than Zest aim wise. But Foxy9 is going to run into the same problems as BuZz when he tries to entry.

Stax just need more time to grow as an IGL. If he gets better at mid-rounding or adapting mid game, like FNS or saadhak, DRX will improve a lot more

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ItsHunter
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he was never a solution, hes just there to fill the sub spot. Hes pretty good but they just dont need him and he also isnt an upgrade from Buzz or Rb.

They need a new IGL desperately but im so conflicted on who i think should be dropped cause theyre all really good. Id say currently Buzz is the worst but even then hes still insane. Also swapping out your duelist would mean you need a duelist to fill the role and a duelist IGL is insanely hard to come by (a good one). DRX fr at a crossroads. Maybe they can do something similar to Xset where they had 2 igls for different sides. Zest with his slow playstyle can cover defense and stax ATK but again Stax isnt exactly stronger on his ATK side so even then it isnt a foolproof solution

#10
lez
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They did intend to have him on the main roster. They were splitting practice time with Foxy9 but ended up playing with the original 5 because the coach felt he wasn't ready.

They don't need to drop anyone because there is no one to get. There is no better Korean IGL than stax. Unless glow comes out of retirement, stax just needs continue to grow as an IGL. Players like FNS has been IGL-ing for many years. stax just needs time.

Also BuZz is definitely not the worst player on DRX.

#16
ItsHunter
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there are many good igls im sure, the only issue is its difficult to scout in APAC or less difficult and more the fact that there just arent many good scouts

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lez
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Who do you suggest they get? There isn't any IGL better than stax in Korea. IGLing is different from scouting a cracked aimer. Every region lacks top tier IGLs cause its an extremely rare skill.

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ItsHunter
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I dont suggest they get anyone. APAC has the least popular news when it comes to players, I personally think Zest did a better job IGLing than Stax has been. Zest is slow and methodical and while that didnt work for them in the past i think now theyve settled their roles really well and theyd be able to pull it off.
If not then I have no clue but theres bound to be talks of good IGLs in Korea. The sad part is, they wouldnt be able to take anyone from outside korea cause of the language barrier.

#17
ItsHunter
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Buzz was 100% the worst IN LOCKIN
worst doesnt need to be bad, it just means the others are that much better

#26
lez
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Agree to disagree. I think BuZz played his role as entry duelist well.

#32
ItsHunter
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I cant believe you people dont understand what im saying
IM NOT SAYING HES BAD, READ AGAIN PLEASE

#35
1cameh
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better phrasing - he had the least impact of all the DRX members. better?

if so, I'd wholeheartedly agree. Rb has frankly skyrocketed up in value over the past 6 months, MaKo.. he's MaKo. stax can be demonic, as can Zest, but BuZz just does not sit right on sentinel sometimes.

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WACC
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U are braindead or blind, no in between

#9
ZeRUSia
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That’s why this formula works

Beginning of the tourney = DRX is best team in the world

Playoffs = shit t1 team getting counterstratted

#43
loloscum
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But it happens to every team tho, it just shows which teams are better.. I remember optic hired a bunch of dudes, asked every analyst to make a 'anti loud' strat on ascent but they still lost that map. It shows how saadhak was able to counter the anti-ascent

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kbkdark
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Agree 100%

But also, this LOCK//IN showed that they're improving their FPS sense about dominating an area of the map to force opponents rotation and after that go to another site end exec properly...
The LOUD v DRX series was a good exemple about how they are improving and getting out of the box of sticking to "Plan A" till the end of the round instead of playing a proper FPS game about adaptating your plan to the infos that u get in the round AND THAN exec

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Rebellion2408
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I mean he isn't fully wrong about this because it seemed pretty clear that DRX were anti stratted completely on Icebox and to an extent Ascent. Won't say Pearl cause it is one of Loud's best map and DRX's worst. DRX were a team who played soooo frickin rigid that they couldn't even adapt to anything. Champs was better as there was some adaptability shown by them and yes a development of mental resiliency. But Lockin I mean they were always pushed to Map 3. So they weren't as strong as they were in champs. But I can also see that teams have Vods about DRX because obviously they weren't the team who ran Chamber everywhere even during the Peak Chamber Meta and the team hasn't changed. So the teams can hard counter DRX and DRX aren't that adaptable enough to withstand that. They need to be even more flexible I hope. Team doesn't need to change cause I don't see why when all 5 players are very talented. And yes need to strengthen their Map pool. We'll see how it goes but as long as they aren't adaptable..then they won't get past top 4 and into the top 2 unfortunately. This is a really strong team and yes I can call it S tier but adaptability just isn't there

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Chow1E
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they have been doing this since first lan tbh

#14
marblesoda
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yeah i feel like we've seen crazy execs from DRX, but their midrounding and adaptation is lacking. They have S-rank executes and S-rank mechanics, but B or C midrounding. their game is so rigid to the point that you know they dont have any curveballs to throw

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Kazz1
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Olha o fofoqueiro internacional

#18
zeldrols
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This is true they lack the ability to adapt their strategy and this is why they always fall short.

#19
BigTiddyMilf
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He's spitting. The problem mostly lies with their IGL, Stax. He needs more time to grow as an IGL to carry the huge mechanical skills the players on DRX have. When you have so many gifted players on your team, you also needs an equally capable IGL to lead all that firepower.

Likewise can be said with SEN. They are another team with an astronomical amount of mechanical skill and firepower but with a subpar IGL, they get stuck more times than not. In SEN's case, they are a new team with a new foundation so only with time will we know if Dephh will be able to lead this team or not.

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SnooTangerines
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DRX has crazy set plays and executes. However, some of them can be anti stratted by an average silver once you watch the VODs.

I think the best example would be ZETA vs DRX at Iceland the previous year. The first ZETA vs DRX game was a wipeout from DRX. ZETA could not even get more than 10 rounds on both maps combined?

However the second time, ZETA genuinely looked like the better-prepped team. I will give one example: On Icebox A site exec on Attack, Rb on sage would wall nest and plant the spike on top.

It is hard to counter since its not the most common spike plant stop and even if you know lineups, the wall stops util from reaching Rb leading to a safe plant.

On the other hand, when they replayed on Icebox, ZETA had lineups prepped, for the exact sage wall that Rb uses. They bounced off different ways and therefore managed to reach Rb.

I cannot count how many times DRX were denied a spike plant. Just because of the fact that they were running this execution even in the second game against ZETA. I even saw Rb die instant as soon as he planted the spike because ZETA would viper molly and Sova would shock dart simultaneously scoring an instant kill on the planted which is hard to dodge.

DRX relies very heavily on pre-calculated strats, that probably their coaches cook up. It almost feels like they are just drilling rounds in different scenarios in pro matches. That would still work normally but Riot releases broken new agents or changes the meta every event, therefore, DRX cannot build up experience as well as a team in lets say CSGO's static meta would build up.

I think it mostly comes down to the IGL. I don't feel like Stax does the "Hey those guys are doing A and therefore we should do X to counter it". Rather DRX goes more on the line of "They figured out our plan A, its time to do plan B that we practiced in scrims." even though plan B might have the same holes as plan A does. Just switching up set plays won't work. You need solid mid-round IGLing.

I don't know where I heard it from but a pro player said this once on a team:
A tier 2 team adapts to what the opponent team is doing after the game is already over or at best after 6-10 rounds.
A tier 1 team playing at the highest level tournaments can adapt in the next round/2-3 rounds at max.
The absolute top teams in the world can adapt mid-round, right then and there.

All that being said, you cannot deny DRX is improving from the international experience. They are not dumb. They can beat any team in the world without overexxagaration. They have started to make deeper runs and the day is not far away when they actually lift a trophy. They always come in as strong contenders for the title.

#21
Genieinthebottle
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What do you mean average silver ? Lmao

#23
SnooTangerines
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Average silver? An average hard-stuck silver that knows that a viper molly causes you to be vulnerable and sova shock dart does enough damage with the vulnerable effect to insta kill. Also, probably has a sense of utility and the importance of denying plants.

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ZeRUSia
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pro games does not work like that bro. They can fake a site and rush other ones. Also drx's post plant is just not a single spot lmao. For example icebox. B site, drx tried total of 4 plant spots. 2nd floor (dashing with jett plants), typical plant, inner plant (under 2nd floor) and plant close to snowman. Just randomly picking a plant spot and wasting shockdart and snakebite will lead you harder to retake lmao.

  • Almost all the team uses exactly same plant spot
#28
SnooTangerines
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Except that is exactly what Pancanda is talking about? DRX does not mix things up. They do something, if it works good enough, if they fail, they fall back to strat B.

Also nobody is talking about DRX's B site execs on Icebox lil bro. I very clearly mentioned their A site execs on icebox.

I am pretty sure they did the sage wall thing on nest 70% of the time before their game with ZETA.

Even in this event, they did 1 strat again and again. Harbor takes rope, puts down cove, plants spike on nest. If you know DRX does that through VODs, it takes 5 mins to google lineups for that shit.

I am not talking about hypothetical situations lil bro. I am mentioning stuff that has already happened. ZETA does not come close to DRX. Yet they managed to win with a prep of less than 2 days.

Shows how easy it is to anti-strat DRX if you have access to VODs.

#22
ZeRUSia
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Stopped reading at "anti stratted by an average silver"
😂😂 I aint reading bs bro

#27
firo
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i think it all comes down to asia generally not having as big background or experience in tacfps as america/emea, most of the players are young and it will take time to develop that experience. the fact that drx can make it far in internatl competition and come up with creative executes is already a big step and theyll only improve from that.

#29
SamBR
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w

#30
archetype
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i feel like another korean team will win a trophy before drx lowkey

#31
Chow1E
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yeah, if they learn, like how nth beat zeta at master 2

#33
jimjam789
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honestly that would crush my heart even though i want korea as a region to do well

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archetype
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same

#44
donut2612
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interesting gen g flair you have there

#45
archetype
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hehe, i do think it's true though. DRX are a great team, I just think that some of these other teams are better at what DRX is crucially flawed in.

#36
fapcity
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Ts and empty will become the top igls in korea soon. Empty is only 17 but has solid midrounding so much room to grow. And Ive always felt that ts is a lot better at adaptations

#37
fapcity
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DRX EMPTY incoming in 2024

#39
GooberBoy
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I can't wait for Foxy9 to join this team and add some much-needed fragging ability. Compared to the other top 4 teams, DRX's fragging is a lot worse, and putting Buzz on sentinels and benching one of Rb or Zest will help them a ton. Long term I think their core should be

Zest/Termi/Glow coaching staff
Stax IGL
Mak0 controller
Buzz sentinel
Foxy9 duelist
Xeta/Ts/Lakia info initiator
Rb 6th man or cut

#40
Marshal_D_Teach
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I've been calling that for centuries. They need to get rid of Zest, RB and their staff

#42
WACC
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@ullyr what did I tell you

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