Cned and Derke

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Pengu12

Valo went from cracked chamber players in na to top two jetts in Emea
Who is better in your opinion?

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Aspas and BuZz

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Valgod

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Buzz is not in the same tier as asspas, derke, cned

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babysasuke

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based on?

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angels1query

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based on any other not delulu persons opinion
hes right

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babysasuke

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good argument!

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unknown_trash

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this sounds like the d3ffo argument all over again... when a team gets too good at setting up their star player to gain space, they all start to call said player washed and horrible.

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Valgod

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Everything

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babysasuke

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good argument!

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Valgod

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Check every game they have lost! He's always bottom fragging! Show me derke or cned bottom fragging!

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angels1query

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i would write you a very long explanation but would you even consider it KEKW

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Ullyr

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Vlr is delusional

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symbols07

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we have eyes, you obviously dont

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Valgod

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Buzz 6-16 masterclass, i was wrong...

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derke is legit frying and seems unstoppable

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Pengu12

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Fuck I forgot about aspas sorry Brazil

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BoF7ooM

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Aspas is a constant. Everything else changes.

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angels1query

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depends on the situation, if ur looking someone extremely clutch its Cned, but maybe Derke shows up more in games? idk very close honestly
i think i tried to say Cneds highest potential might be higher than Derke, but Derke on average might be better, yes.

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Renvas

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Id say consistensy is more important but a operator clutch king is something every team should have.. It can help move the team forward. But Consistency is king

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angels1query

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I dont know if i agree, specifically for NAVI for eg, everyone is consistent enough, so you need an op clutch king, very aggressive player there to push the team further

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uruzbu

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Consistentcy derke is not the best for sure. Check previous tournaments when fnatic needed him the most he was lost but cned made him champion in first masters by himself and put almost great stats in every tournament he participated

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Valgod

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Derke is a better rifler than cned, he creates more space, but he hasn't been oping as well as cned this tournament

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jawn

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aspas, he refuses to underperform

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Mortadelo

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Still do gotta say he rarely is at the top of the stats leaderboard in the events

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jawn

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loud don't hyperfocus on their duelist player, so he tends to have a lot of quiet games where he will perma anchor a site with an op or just run it down on attack, he never underperforms tho, give him an opportunity at a duel or clutch he will take it and win

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Mortadelo

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Yeah no doubt he is great and really consistent. It's just that it's normal that people sometimes forget about him because he doesn't have this crazy 4ks or insane plays, doesn't need to carry like others do

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Piter

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He has more insane and flashy plays than Derke at least, but Derke tops leaderboards more

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Mortadelo

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cNed is the better opper and has the better Jett mechanics
Derke is a better rifler, way more flexible and better on any other agent, I would rather have him on my team than cNed

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angels1query

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for NAVI imo cNed is better, everyone shows up all the time in NAVI and they are flexible enough
they needed someone to push their potential higher, that sometimes is the case also

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Mortadelo

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But the way Derke opens space and gets his entires is just unmatched imo. cNed is definitely the best they could have gotten considering Derke wasn't an option, and if they use him right he can be better. Now it's more up to the team strategy, if cNed gets his Op he is gonna beat Derke on the 1 vs 1s

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cNed is having a lotta impact on NAVI tho. NAVI went from almost always waiting for 30 seconds in the clock to blitzing rounds in the blink of an eye now. He has brought a fast pace play to NAVI and some filthy plays to NAVI, just like chronicle and leo in FNC. Some clutches you just cant imagine being possible without them.

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angels1query

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agreed, NAVI def needed that fast pace playstyle in addition, angel was saying hes even too overagressive at some points, and they solved it out it seems.

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Mortadelo

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Yes but that's my point, cNed has been doing great with that but if I have to open a site and I can choose I'm taking Derke any day of the week. He is literally the ultimate entry

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BoF7ooM

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Absolutely. Derke is insanely versatile. Only a few players come close and surpass him.

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angels1query

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i think a godlike OPer/good entry > a godlike entry, especially for NAVI, but agree to disagree lmao
bcs derke doesnt have that good op

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Mortadelo

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Again my point, if I had to pick a player to win the Op duels I'm taking cNed any day too
They're both completely different Jett's but at the same time probably equally good
My reason to choose Derke is the flexibility cNed doesn't have

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angels1query

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thats right, but i tried to say for NAVI i would pick cned at the end of the day, where u would pick Derke if available, u said (if i got it right lmao)
in other situations/other teams i would %80 also pick Derke

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Mortadelo

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Yeah you got it right xD
I mean respectable cNed is goated, Ig it depends a lot

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benmaimoon

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aspas,cned,derke,buzz this 4 looking great on jett rn
but cned is the best operator
and aspas is the best at the knives

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ballsinyojaws

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aspas, cned, derke, top 3 duelist players in the world rn in no order

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kalakallu

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bro forgot papichulo

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Alpac4

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aspas clear them both