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Where do yall rank talon with pati?

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Idk much about some of the other additions but xia core being reunited with pati has caused me to overdose on hopium, i rate them 4th in apac rn under drx, prx, and gen.g. Zeta might be above them aswell but idk im prayging for pati to be a demon like he was before

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ilovefrozenblueberries
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Top 10

#3
capital_d_colon
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Like 6th

#4
JiangLi
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Top 3

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archetype
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no way Talon is better than DRX/PRX/ZETA

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Mortadelo
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Zeta need to get their level back tho, they are definitely beatable on a long competition

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maybe, but ZETA also beat PRX before. And they had good performances in the hardest group at Champs. I would put Talon anywhere between 4th to 6th.

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But you can’t expect Zeta to always perform like they did that masters, it was a clear over perform

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nutab1e
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was prx not a clear over perform tho? talon owns both (HOPIUM)

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Mortadelo
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Their 2nd place? Yeah probably but in average PRX feels a lot more like a Playoff team while Zeta looks a lot more like a Groups team if you know what I mean

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nutab1e
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fair, I could see that flip flopping depending on meta tho

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thatpower
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you could say the same for prx tbh

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CanadianLegend
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Ngel If Zeta was in any other group imo they woulda qualified, Laz was still the top chamber even though he mostly played other agents (so stats technically vary), and overall had close games against loud, and prolly coulda did well in playoffs as well

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Mortadelo
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No man, ZETA was not better than FPX, FNC, or TL at all

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CanadianLegend
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Personally Zeta is better than TL for sure, FNC is debatable, and FPX is understandable. Yet we wouldn’t know since it never happens so based on results of the past technically Zeta is better then the 2, not FPX tho

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eh. their scrim results at champs proved they were not overperforming during m1.

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Mortadelo
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No scrims do not prove anything imo

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they have had good scrim results with top teams in Champs. It does mean that ZETA weren't overperforming. It doesn't necessarily mean they were better than the top teams in Champs though.

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No it does not dude, what does "good at scrims" heard it way too many times and I do not believe it. Simple question to see if they were overperforming, do you think they are gonna make top 8 at Sao Paulo?

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I do not believe it

I'm not telling you that they're good I'm telling you that they can hold their own. Scrim results don't mean much, however if a team is doing well in scrims generally speaking it means they have some level of skill. And it definitely means that they weren't overperforming up until then.

You only believe they are overperforming because they did not get results the two tournaments after. I'm saying that performance wise they are still performing to a similar level. And the evidence I have is that they performed well in the toughest group, and had good scrim results against the other top teams. So it was not an overperformance in M1.

As for top 8 at Sao Paulo it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to judge because half the teams at the tournament are completely new. 0 idea how they will play.

And it perfectly illustrates the flaw in your thinking. You only look at results. You don't look at actual gameplay.

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GhostCat
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top 4 apac

#6
nobrewow
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pati was competing in OW, its insane aim wise, no cap so i believe he is gonna be demon like before, i think he only needs to learn Neon as it is meta in some maps, becaue his jett and raze was pretty good

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Ultimate6989
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Ye but like u said he plays ow so neon should be ez for him cuz the movement is so overwatch-esque

#17
Nevermind333
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He played Neon alot in scrim

#21
frappzlul
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Top 4 in APAC

  1. DRX
  2. PRX
  3. T1
  4. TLN
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DeluluGavin
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top 5 for sure

#30
sh1nj1
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top 5-7

drx
prx
t1
geng
zeta/talon/ge

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koromast
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they finally have a raze/neon duelist (jit boys) and a goat apac OP that also is good enough on flexing (patiphan) of course sscary out of the roster is a donwgrade even if crws plays smokes since he was a initiator flex and not a main controller, but at least cypher will get a buff and sushiboys its one of the best cypher on apac so good news for him whos been under performing on lan. so for me if they play on their best 4th and if they under perform then 7th at least no way secret/rrq/GE do better imo.

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MerkFreeks
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5-7 range

#47
Perma
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top 20 world

#48
proud_bandwagoners
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Doesnt he have hand injury? If it was something related to carpal tunnel I dont think he's gonna perform that well

#58
tofubun
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definitely can compete with drx prx zeta t1 as long as patiphan is not washed after a long time abscent. Are they all thais or not? because speaking same language like all japan or kr roster have an advantage at the highest level.

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himne
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top 5-6, xia core is amazing but sscary is a big loss. i dont doubt pati's skills nor his skill ceiling, especially if he recovers well.

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Corny
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Top 6 but when it comes where exact rank-idk how to scale

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