Every single other game is mostly dominated by certain regions but valorant esports is so random
cuz of low skill ceiling?
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why this game has no region gap?
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zardinez [#3]Cuz riot actually invests in other regions. It’s a really good sign that there’s no gap.
yea it's a good thing but still interesting
It still is relatively a new game.
The Meta changes a lot unlike most of the games and Valorant specifically is more about who adapts and plays around the meta well as opposed to who's the better aimer.
Some teams have complex strats while some have normal executes. It all depends on how well a certain team forms their comps around a certain Meta.
zardinez [#3]Cuz riot actually invests in other regions. It’s a really good sign that there’s no gap.
What riot invest in LATAM?
RayzerGH [#11]Cuz it's in the begining of the game, next year (with the franchises), i am almost sure that we will see a gap by "regions".
well next year, only 3 regions lol
n1zo [#7]ok bye I'm going back to hltv until EU starts winning hentai video game again
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RayzerGH [#11]Cuz it's in the begining of the game, next year (with the franchises), i am almost sure that we will see a gap by "regions".
If anything with the consolidation of talent coming into a specific amount of teams the gap will be even smaller, now all the best players will be on a few teams instead of being spread out
Olofboost [#19]Riot had to make low skill ceiling, otherwise no region except EMEA would win anything in this game
EMEA only good at csgo cuz they are the only ones playing lol they are sh1t at every single other game
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#21]EMEA only good at csgo cuz they are the only ones playing lol they are sh1t at every single other game
EMEA owns in Dota, Rocket League, Rainbow Six (basically all relevant esports that exist)
zardinez [#3]Cuz riot actually invests in other regions. It’s a really good sign that there’s no gap.
so the fact that riot invests in other regions makes those same players who couldnt manage over 1.0 kd against top 50 teams in cs tier 1 in valorant,this argument makes no sense,a lot of these tier 1 pros who do amazingly in val individually were just simply not good players in cs there was nothing limiting xeta for example when he was playing in tyloo and they were playing a lot vs eu and he was a complete bot https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11188/xeta?startDate=2020-02-24&endDate=2020-04-03&teamId=4863
Olofboost [#25]EMEA owns in Dota, Rocket League, Rainbow Six (basically all relevant esports that exist)
rocket league and R6 relevant LOL
and R6 is dominated by Brazilians last few years
Olofboost [#25]EMEA owns in Dota, Rocket League, Rainbow Six (basically all relevant esports that exist)
Not the best at League, also they don't really own in Rocket league. NA is fairly close. Don't own anyone in R6 either. In apex Australians won last algs while brazilians placed 2nd
Olofboost [#25]EMEA owns in Dota, Rocket League, Rainbow Six (basically all relevant esports that exist)
EMEA are as relevant in LoL as KR is in Valorant and that’s not a good thing
asdfgh [#27]so the fact that riot invests in other regions makes those same players who couldnt manage over 1.0 kd against top 50 teams in cs tier 1 in valorant,this argument makes no sense,a lot of these tier 1 pros who do amazingly in val individually were just simply not good players in cs there was nothing limiting xeta for example when he was playing in tyloo and they were playing a lot vs eu and he was a complete bot https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11188/xeta?startDate=2020-02-24&endDate=2020-04-03&teamId=4863
2 different games, some players played OW, Paladins, Fornite, PUBG and didn't achievement nothing and they are good here
V0sotros [#20]If anything with the consolidation of talent coming into a specific amount of teams the gap will be even smaller, now all the best players will be on a few teams instead of being spread out
If there were more regions then the gap would spread, but because there isn't i dont think its going to happen. More regions leads to an issue like League, where the top regions (china and korea) dominate because they play against the best every day while the other regions fall behind. If franchising used the same system some smaller regions might have a good team but eventually the entire region would most likely fall behind. 3 regions will contain talent much more than other systems.
zardinez [#3]Cuz riot actually invests in other regions. It’s a really good sign that there’s no gap.
I think riot investment are a sign for long term success, leviatan or prx being good for example has very little to do with riot, for now I think it's hard to say why exactly but imo is the changing in metas and how strong good preparation can be
wizardbot [#35]Not the best at League, also they don't really own in Rocket league. NA is fairly close. Don't own anyone in R6 either. In apex Australians won last algs while brazilians placed 2nd
i mean eu has more international trophys than NA in both r6 and rl,apex legends eu sucks at expect russia thats NA game for sure
Sprouts [#36]EMEA are as relevant in LoL as KR is in Valorant and that’s not a good thing
i would def say emea is relevant in lol eu has the potential to beat china and korea teams but both are still miles ahead in mentality and skill level witch is why eu has choked so many chances to win lans,actually now that i think about it it is pretty similar to drx lmao
Sushi_ [#34]didnt u guys have a lan lcq with a crowd?
Riot Brazil, not riot LATAM, if they invested in all the regions, they would distribute better the spots to the events or to the Americas League
Sprouts [#36]EMEA are as relevant in LoL as KR is in Valorant and that’s not a good thing
EU fluked one MSI in league and people think they are on par with LCK and LPL. Except for a couple world finals NA has basically done what EU has done in terms of international competitions and thats bad cuz NA is trash.
Mohagany [#44]EU fluked one MSI in league and people think they are on par with LCK and LPL. Except for a couple world finals NA has basically done what EU has done in terms of international competitions and thats bad cuz NA is trash.
lmao no one in their right mind thinks eu is in par with them but better than NA for sure
asdfgh [#42]i would def say emea is relevant in lol eu has the potential to beat china and korea teams but both are still miles ahead in mentality and skill level witch is why eu has choked so many chances to win lans,actually now that i think about it it is pretty similar to drx lmao
now that i think about it it is pretty similar to drx lmao
that’s what I’m saying LMAO
s1nek [#43]Riot Brazil, not riot LATAM, if they invested in all the regions, they would distribute better the spots to the events or to the Americas League
oh ok
low skill ceiling helps, also there arent really any real top igls in valorant, only ange1 imo so it makes the game a bit random without good igls, its also like this in lower tiers in csgo where teams dont have top igls, usually both teams in valorant play the game badly and both commit a lot mistakes so its kinda random
s1nek [#37]2 different games, some players played OW, Paladins, Fornite, PUBG and didn't achievement nothing and they are good here
thats my point lol,valorant fundamentals like shooting,movement,gameplay overall etc is just simplified from cs to make val more casual since they know to be on par with cs they need to take advantage of the fact cs in not very casual friendly and thats why valorant is so popular between all these e girls and next level casual gamers,its ofcourse personal some people might suck at val while being good at cs like floppy but the majority are def better at val than cs
Olofboost [#19]Riot had to make low skill ceiling, otherwise no region except EMEA would win anything in this game
Olofboost try not to mention EMEA for 5 minutes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Seulgi [#50]Olofboost try not to mention EMEA for 5 minutes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
I'll cry a little and then back to sleep until another day when EMEA plays
Pogo [#28]Yeah cuz every region has won an event right?
no but thats where the difference in mental and strategy comes in,on paper there is such a low gap in individual skill many teams just win because of their mental and momentum in that game thats why theres so many upsets
Olofboost [#51]I'll cry a little and then back to sleep until another day when EMEA plays
You have one day to sleep fear not!
idkbro [#48]low skill ceiling helps, also there arent really any real top igls in valorant, only ange1 imo so it makes the game a bit random without good igls, its also like this in lower tiers in csgo where teams dont have top igls, usually both teams in valorant play the game badly and both commit a lot mistakes so its kinda random
yes i also forgot the fact we have fucking vloggers,uk cs players and former all aim no brainers as igls in tier 1 teams
asdfgh [#45]lmao no one in their right mind thinks eu is in par with them but better than NA for sure
I agree that they aren't on par, but i've seen a lot of freaks that actually think EU is close because of the 1 MSI win. MSI this year they got as far as NA did and got stomped even quicker. NA and EU are miles away from LCK and LPL and NA is just KEKW.
asdfgh [#27]so the fact that riot invests in other regions makes those same players who couldnt manage over 1.0 kd against top 50 teams in cs tier 1 in valorant,this argument makes no sense,a lot of these tier 1 pros who do amazingly in val individually were just simply not good players in cs there was nothing limiting xeta for example when he was playing in tyloo and they were playing a lot vs eu and he was a complete bot https://www.hltv.org/stats/players/11188/xeta?startDate=2020-02-24&endDate=2020-04-03&teamId=4863
wtf is this take bro korean csgo was a shit show. csgo wasn't supported at all in korea so xeta, stax and other korean pros were left to basically rot.
if valve actually gave a fuck about their game and decided to maybe help regions like east asia and apac there would be more pros there who do well.
ppmcpoopoo [#57]wtf is this take bro korean csgo was a shit show. csgo wasn't supported at all in korea so xeta, stax and other korean pros were left to basically rot.
if valve actually gave a fuck about their game and decided to maybe help regions like east asia and apac there would be more pros there who do well.
and i wonder what does this have to do with my point,did the fact valorant supports them make them way better individuals,if you cant even get over 1kd in asia like rb did you are simply not good
s1nek [#43]Riot Brazil, not riot LATAM, if they invested in all the regions, they would distribute better the spots to the events or to the Americas League
Bro what, Latam/Brazil have four slots and NA has 3... isn't it supposed to be the most competitive regions have the most slots??? what have you guys won
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#8]yea it's a good thing but still interesting
Interesting? It's kinda logical... you invest in a region, that region plays the game, and then they become great once it takes off. simple. It's a new game, everyone is on the same page right now.
I assume you're comparing this to something like CSGO, which is totally different because of the history of CS which is 20 years old. In the case of CS, regions like EU and NA were playing CS 1.6 to a high standard 20 years ago while the rest of the world was playing other games / didn't care. There was a CS culture in Europe that was incredibly passionate and strong before most of the world even had ADSL internet.
luckypleb [#61]Because we actually play valorant.
but how does that make the top pros better in valorant than they were in cs individually
Netero [#26]No it's because CS low skill game and boring and other regions don't like boring dead game except European boomers
im sorry but fns being on a top 5 team disproves ur entire point
asdfgh [#63]but how does that make the top pros better in valorant than they were in cs individually
More player pool, more competition, more money put into it
luckypleb [#66]More player pool, more competition, more money put into it
but its mostly the same cs pros or players who didnt play at pro level yet now doing it in valorant at a much higher level
asdfgh [#64]im sorry but fns being on a top 5 team disproves ur entire point
FNS was on C9 for 3 months while they were still top 5
Also different people are better at different games
For example Floppy is a lot better at CS than Valorant
PooFaceCe [#60]Bro what, Latam/Brazil have four slots and NA has 3... isn't it supposed to be the most competitive regions have the most slots??? what have you guys won
There's no point in explaining, but LATAM and Brazil are different regions. That's why its "4 slots". NA is just two countries and gets 3 slots. LATAM+BR is more than 15 countries and they get two each.
ppmcpoopoo [#57]wtf is this take bro korean csgo was a shit show. csgo wasn't supported at all in korea so xeta, stax and other korean pros were left to basically rot.
if valve actually gave a fuck about their game and decided to maybe help regions like east asia and apac there would be more pros there who do well.
W
asdfgh [#59]and i wonder what does this have to do with my point,did the fact valorant supports them make them way better individuals,if you cant even get over 1kd in asia like rb did you are simply not good
How good would be messi in tennis? Complete bot, right?
camosoulja [#71]How good would be messi in tennis? Complete bot, right?
yeah because valorant and cs are such different games valorant has abilities instead of nades and more simple mechanics thats it
Danny [#68]FNS was on C9 for 3 months while they were still top 5
Also different people are better at different games
For example Floppy is a lot better at CS than Valorant
that was 4 years ago,also 3 months where they didnt get higher than 5-8th place
Kainen [#69]There's no point in explaining, but LATAM and Brazil are different regions. That's why its "4 slots". NA is just two countries and gets 3 slots. LATAM+BR is more than 15 countries and they get two each.
Ya I know they're different regions and a lot more countries, but its supposed to be the highest density of players and the most competitive regions that get the most representation because they want the game to be more competitive.
so the fact that Latam and Brazil get more slots combined then NA and have much less playerbase and competitive achievement doesn't make much sense, and it makes less to complain about it.
Kainen [#69]There's no point in explaining, but LATAM and Brazil are different regions. That's why its "4 slots". NA is just two countries and gets 3 slots. LATAM+BR is more than 15 countries and they get two each.
Asia+Australia has 6 slots
EU has 3 slots while having
Like 40+ countries(including Russia/cis)
So I mean it's kinda fair for SA to get that much
Seulgi [#50]Olofboost try not to mention EMEA for 5 minutes challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
Is it this easy to bait valulrant reporters ?
heavnsent [#62]Interesting? It's kinda logical... you invest in a region, that region plays the game, and then they become great once it takes off. simple. It's a new game, everyone is on the same page right now.
I assume you're comparing this to something like CSGO, which is totally different because of the history of CS which is 20 years old. In the case of CS, regions like EU and NA were playing CS 1.6 to a high standard 20 years ago while the rest of the world was playing other games / didn't care. There was a CS culture in Europe that was incredibly passionate and strong before most of the world even had ADSL internet.
AND they ignored A LOT of regions too
VALoka [#55]Im not from zimbabwe u idiot
so you're insinuating people from Zimbabwe need to shower huh?
asdfgh [#72]yeah because valorant and cs are such different games valorant has abilities instead of nades and more simple mechanics thats it
Terrible baiter
asdfgh [#64]im sorry but fns being on a top 5 team disproves ur entire point
ANGE1? Is he joke to you?
Because the regional gap is an effect of factors that did not occur in valorant, it is not a cause or a fact.
In fact, the regional gap is currently almost a myth, it is more of a temporal and sample gap, the games that Eu and Na are superior at are the ones that... the rest of the world doesn't care about or have been playing for much less.
Because it is a new game with global success, just as popular all over the world and with the same opportunities. We are in a globalized world, it is not like 20 years ago where each town exchanged strats in lans and each region had its playstyle and super marked level. Internet allows you to have the strast and mechanics from all over the world within minutes of being discovered, in turn to practice online against many more people, and finally many official confrontations between regions.
To believe in a gap at the regional level boundary today is quite naive.
What has happened in other games is the experience and the player base, competing at a high level is relatively new in Latin America, for example, in fact, the popularization of video games was the same as in the USA and Europe, where it went from being a ''thing of geeks'' to a means of entertainment for the general public but decades later... It's not that there was no talent, there just weren't hardly any people trying. Currently there is internet and computers even in the most remote and poor towns, living from video games is an acceptable aspiration, and in fact the quarantine got a lot of people into video games.
But most peopple are not going to try hard old games no matter how classic they are.
So valorant taken the mature E Sports in the most part of the world, with the largest possible playerbase, and where the whole world has the same start and the same opportunity.
Valorant doesn't have that big regional gap because, it's almost as if the world were a single region.
asdfgh [#49]thats my point lol,valorant fundamentals like shooting,movement,gameplay overall etc is just simplified from cs to make val more casual since they know to be on par with cs they need to take advantage of the fact cs in not very casual friendly and thats why valorant is so popular between all these e girls and next level casual gamers,its ofcourse personal some people might suck at val while being good at cs like floppy but the majority are def better at val than cs
The game is much easier than cs go at a mechanical level, yes, it depends more on luck too. But that doesn't matter, because there is still a lot of skill dependency, if the game is easier for you then for the enemy. If the enemy is better, he will destroy you regardless of the difficulty of the game, in a competitive game the difficult thing is to win the rival and not the game. So at the end of the day, it's just as hard.
PooFaceCe [#65]The thing is that there IS a skill ceiling, its starting to close now as Asia and Latam/BR get closer, but you have to be delusional to deny that NA and EU have been win trading every event in the game since the dawn of time
You cannot take an exception to the rule as the norm, yes, Na and Eu have one or two strong teams, maybe the best in the world, but a winner does not represent the general level, the rest of the league is full of weak teams. And not to mention the rate of players outside teams, any external player comes to Na and Eu to stomp the ranks in the radiant top 100. Europe, due to the mix of languages and cultures, easily has one of the poorest levels and full of trolls in the non-professional competition.
PooFaceCe [#74]Ya I know they're different regions and a lot more countries, but its supposed to be the highest density of players and the most competitive regions that get the most representation because they want the game to be more competitive.
so the fact that Latam and Brazil get more slots combined then NA and have much less playerbase and competitive achievement doesn't make much sense, and it makes less to complain about it.
I don't know where you get that the player base is lower but I'm sure it's not like that... there has been a rise in popularity of E sports both in latam and Br.
And both Latam and Br have already shown that they are not behind in the competitive level, they may not win the final but they are always in the quarterfinals, making it difficult for the champion.
Br has a sure one while South Latam and North Latam fight for just 1 slot and then North Latam, South Latam and br fight for 2 more.
It seems a lot to you 4 slots for 3 semi-regions and then 2 countries have 3 insured.
In fact, being fair, America being a continent... it is an exaggeration to have 7 spaces and Europe only 3. They should remove a space from Na to be 2 per semi region and give another space to Europe.
Or join Na with latam north, and latam south with br, to be 3 slots south america and 3 north america.
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#30]rocket league and R6 relevant LOL
and R6 is dominated by Brazilians last few years
NA the past year in R6
SenTones [#87]I don't know where you get that the player base is lower but I'm sure it's not like that... there has been a rise in popularity of E sports both in latam and Br.
And both Latam and Br have already shown that they are not behind in the competitive level, they may not win the final but they are always in the quarterfinals, making it difficult for the champion.
Br has a sure one while South Latam and North Latam fight for just 1 slot and then North Latam, South Latam and br fight for 2 more.
It seems a lot to you 4 slots for 3 semi-regions and then 2 countries have 3 insured.In fact, being fair, America being a continent... it is an exaggeration to have 7 spaces and Europe only 3. They should remove a space from Na to be 2 per semi region and give another space to Europe.
Or join Na with latam north, and latam south with br, to be 3 slots south america and 3 north america.
I know that its been growing but I also know that in latam/br yall have a lot of games your focusing on that your already very invested in, and in NA pretty much EVERYONE is on valorant.
Siege players, CS players, OW players, Everyone from NA has moved to Valorant and in other regions other then EU the move hasn't been as big, I agree with your second solution of joining NA with latam north, but there's definitely a skill and playerbase difference in the 2 regions.
SenTones [#86]You cannot take an exception to the rule as the norm, yes, Na and Eu have one or two strong teams, maybe the best in the world, but a winner does not represent the general level, the rest of the league is full of weak teams. And not to mention the rate of players outside teams, any external player comes to Na and Eu to stomp the ranks in the radiant top 100. Europe, due to the mix of languages and cultures, easily has one of the poorest levels and full of trolls in the non-professional competition.
I mean but its just not an exception, Look at overall placements and the average placements between NA and EU teams it is generally ALWAYS NA and EU at the top, not only winning but dominating deep in the tournament.
Look at the shit going on RIGHT now as an example,
Asia is 2-5 and apart from Furia have only won against themselves,
Latam/BR is 3-2.
Whereas NA hasn't lost a game...
(4-0)
Now I cant defend the current performances of EU, I definitely think FNC and FPX will pick it back up but there's a clear domination happening and you have to be delusional to act like there isn't.
PooFaceCe [#90]I mean but its just not an exception, Look at overall placements and the average placements between NA and EU teams it is generally ALWAYS NA and EU at the top, not only winning but dominating deep in the tournament.
Look at the shit going on RIGHT now as an example,
Asia is 2-5 and apart from Furia have only won against themselves,
Latam/BR is 3-2.Whereas NA hasn't lost a game...
(4-0)Now I cant defend the current performances of EU, I definitely think FNC and FPX will pick it back up but there's a clear domination happening and you have to be delusional to act like there isn't.
Furia is probably the weakest rival, I don't argue with you, the coach himself didn't expect them to qualify because although there is skill, there is no synergy, he doesn't know very well what to do with them and they don't even listen to him. But Loud, Lev and Krü? Lev already ate XSET when they just changed player and coach, and they come 3 tiers up. I think they can also against 100T keeping in mind that they were stomped by xset, Optic is the only one who sometimes trolling but is unstoppable when they play at 100%. Come on, the exception. OPTIC is the dominant one, not NA in general, and also they are very emotional, inconsistent, it's enough that they don't give their 100 and they fall third like last time.
SenTones [#91]Furia is probably the weakest rival, I don't argue with you, the coach himself didn't expect them to qualify because although there is skill, there is no synergy, he doesn't know very well what to do with them and they don't even listen to him. But Loud, Lev and Krü? Lev already ate XSET when they just changed player and coach, and they come 3 tiers up. I think they can also against 100T keeping in mind that they were stomped by xset, Optic is the only one who sometimes trolling but is unstoppable when they play at 100%. Come on, the exception. OPTIC is the dominant one, not NA in general, and also they are very emotional, inconsistent, it's enough that they don't give their 100 and they fall third like last time.
That's what I mean, Na is a step above, but not more than 3.
SenTones [#85]The game is much easier than cs go at a mechanical level, yes, it depends more on luck too. But that doesn't matter, because there is still a lot of skill dependency, if the game is easier for you then for the enemy. If the enemy is better, he will destroy you regardless of the difficulty of the game, in a competitive game the difficult thing is to win the rival and not the game. So at the end of the day, it's just as hard.
the randomness is what makes it less competitive,less luck factors mean more accurate results because there is a clear difference between good,decent and bad,good example is boxing,0 randomness its 100% about skill and your own performance,and coincidentally there are clear favorites and hierarchy between good,decent and bad boxers and huge upsets rarely happen,same in league,the game has very little randomness almost everything you do wrong or lose is because you made a mistake you could have not done
ItsMeDio [#33]BECAUSE EVERYONE START AT THE SAME TIME
in APAC, CS never really popular like val
That's true
SenTones [#91]Furia is probably the weakest rival, I don't argue with you, the coach himself didn't expect them to qualify because although there is skill, there is no synergy, he doesn't know very well what to do with them and they don't even listen to him. But Loud, Lev and Krü? Lev already ate XSET when they just changed player and coach, and they come 3 tiers up. I think they can also against 100T keeping in mind that they were stomped by xset, Optic is the only one who sometimes trolling but is unstoppable when they play at 100%. Come on, the exception. OPTIC is the dominant one, not NA in general, and also they are very emotional, inconsistent, it's enough that they don't give their 100 and they fall third like last time.
I ignored this until now because I knew the results would prove me right, EU and NA just occupied 5 out of 8 slots in the playoffs. Out of the 6 teams NA/EU was given we sent 5, wherea's latam/br were given 4 and sent 2. Asia was given 6 and sent ONE. also I find the "NA is very emotional" comments funny when Latam, BR, and Asian teams literally cry on stage when they lose, lose their mind when they finally win, and get visibly very emotionally deterred round by round, for example, Stax.
Also, the "inconsistent" claim doesn't make much sense when NA is 2/4 top seeds meaning we won most consistently in the group stage. On top of that Optic is the most consistent team historically in valorant history, and the only team to have a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place finish.
(soon to be another 1st)
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