FNC vs OPTC | VLR.gg

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fnatic gonna eat optic with this lineup

boaster>fns
alfa>>>victor
mistic<<marved
derke~yay
fearoth>>>crashies

Although chet is an amazing coach, he gonna anti strat the fuck outta fnc and play some cringe comp real nice

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Enzo?

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enzo = fearoth

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I DIDNT KNOW THIS

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its not your fault fearoth is way better than enzo idk why he changed

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enzo coming up with that redbull clutchhhhhhhhhh.

a massive whiff by fearoth, fnc lose the round.....

idk the first one sounds better to me :)

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Never use your name as nickname in games, that will make you look like a newbie in internet

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Enzo is fearoth he just changed his name

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we love cringe comp

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0 evidence

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Enzo is not better than Crashies and FNS may be a worse player than Boaster, but is clearly a better, more experienced IGL

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boaster has been around since m2 2021, just talking about experience valo, don't pull csgo on me

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Why wouldn’t LANs in a different game transfer over? A LAN is a LAN, it’s the experience of being in person that matters

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that has to be the worst take I have heard man, wtf

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You're in denial, man. Seek help. He give u a straight fact and u just spit on it. lol

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A LAN is A LAN. the comebacks on valorant's LAN is due to experience. Optic came back vs Guard because their leader had been there before. 100t came back vs acend because their players had been in that situation before, performing under LAN's pressure and

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FNS has played 16 matches (39 maps) on LAN in Valorant. Boaster has played 12 matches (29 maps) so idk where you’re getting this idea.

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FNS- 17 actually

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And FNS has been here since the beginning of competitive Valorant in 2020

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How is he clearly better

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man has 0 evidence and says, "clearly better"

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FNS reads other teams like a book and coordinates his team to optimize their skills. Boaster is a good individual player and an alright igl but if we're talking about just pure igl, he can't compare to FNS

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Crashies is better than Enzo, I feel like. And so is FNS is better than boaster in IGLing. Also viktor maybe inconsistent sometimes but that doesn't mean, he is less better than alfa.
Tbh these types of comparisons are useless. You can't know how top teams for diff regions look like against each other without actually seeing them play.
Fnatic do be lookin nice tho

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I would put Alfajer over victor seeing him twice because of how much of a difference maker he is. Not saying Victor can't be, but he is inconsistent like you said

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agree with what you said at last but, crashies and enzo cant be compared same with fns and boaster , unless we have a real match happen in between the teams. but crashies is no where near alfa, people are talking about alfa reaching top 5 in the world after some more time(probably a year) and victor isnt anywhere near that. sure victor is good but when comparing one on one alfa takes the dub

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boaster>fns
alfa>>>>victor
mistic>marved (sorry but mistic underrated af, also different roles, mistic isnt controller anymore, would still say mistic is better, marved kinda overhyped atm for performing well in some matches against worse teams, he was overperforming imo, mistic is consistently better)
derke>>yay
fearoth>>crashies

mini > chet

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PERFORMING WELL AGAINST WORSE TEAMS??? YOU MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE BEST TEAMS ITW???

Yeah Marved fucking owned against DRX PRX and Loud, but look at mistic go against FUCKING FOKUS

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only loud is good from those 3, rest are dogshit and should have never been there, got lucky war literally happened in europe

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usual cope

also yay washes derke on his worst days

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cope? how are drx and prx good? would they beat guild, full strenght fnatic, fpx or m3c? also no1 expected shit from them, they got nothing to lose, now they have expectations, people will expect them to do well this masters, I dont think they will perform that well without having nothing to lose anymore (talking about prx), drx is just bad atm they need roster changes and coaching staff that can make them play a more sustainable branch of valorant

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bro you spend too much time on this website

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you got almost 600 posts since january so probably not as much as you do lol

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you have been posting for 2 hours straight, stand up, stretch, go outside and breath

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its literally 10 pm, I am just chilling watching valorant and hanging in vlr, even then I dont have 600 posts in half a year, you cant tell others that they spent too much time on this website

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600 posts in 6 months really isnt that much, youre gonna spend all night on vlr.gg bc u have no job to wake up to

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derke score twice your igl on his worst day. on his good day the entire of optic acs will still be less than GoDerke

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Bro it can get annoying when NA starts hyping up their teams and all, but at least they don’t take themselves as serious as europeans do

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because NA know its just hyping up nothing else they do it for fun, I actually think that and I think most high level players in EU do, many said it too, Optic literally didnt have a challenge apart from Loud, maybe too much ego but I think last masters was just unlucky circustances and the gap is still big comparing EMEA to other regions, like, I see FPX, Fnatic and Guild, you cant tell me optic who won masters are better than them, I would even bet LAN m3c or Acend would beat Optic

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This is unreal...

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unreal teams I agree

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PRX sat on G2, which was the team that beat FNC with Mistic on it.
DRX is the best team i think strat wise. i would explain how they play since clearly you haven't seen them played before if you say they were bad, but seeing how braindead this take is, i wont waste my time

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KEKW

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Mistic is not better than Marved lmfao, he’s underrated maybe but Marved is currently the best smokes player in the world
You’re on some crazy copium

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nah, I just dont think marved is as good as people think atm, he is insane but for me mistic has always been a beast and he will show it, agree to disagree I guess

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can agree, this means in a match anyone of those 2 can perform better

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not that it matters because val is a team game, but these are the only correct rankings
FNS>Boaster (FNS won a Masters and has been runner-up at berlin, Boaster only got to finals in the first masters when the game was newer)
Marved>Mistic (both are good, but marved's impact is so easy to see in comparison to mistic relying more on team to win, marved sometimes takes games into his own hands)
Alfa>Victor (Vic is a great player but Alfa is Just on another level)
Yay > Derke (Derke is a beast but has yet to really prove himself on LAN imo)
Enzo=Crashies (both good support players and aim is solid on both players)
Chet> minijake (Chet won a masters)
Optic would win 3-2 VS Fnatic imo, Optics map pool is insane

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Some corrections imo,
Viktor=Alfa
And Derke has already proven himself on LAN.

Other than this you're pretty much spot on

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alfa is way better than victor lol, tell me you dont watch EU without telling me you dont watch EU, like not even close, this is just disrespectful to alfa

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Nahhh they are pretty close

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bro, believe they are not, alfajer is on derke level, victor is a worse zeek, he is really good but alfajer is just worldclass

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I disagree man. Viktors pretty good. Both worldclass

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not as good tho, fans on vlr were literally shitting on victor and calling for him to be replaced until masters playoffs, he clearly isnt close to a guy who is top1 acs in the hardest region? victor is mid table in acs in a less competitive region, sorry but he is worldclass but just one more in the elite, alfajer is just the elite of the elite

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yeah acs is the best way to determine how good a player is, victors role definitely relies on his acs to have impact

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yeah EU best region with 6th as their highest placed finish at the last masters, despite being the only region with 3 slots.

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alfa on one hand is the best player in the entire region(stat wise impact rating and acs) and victor on the other hand struggles to even get top 3 on his own team

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what is this joke? how has derke not proven himself on lan? literally masterclass performance in champions, yay is one of the best itw but derke is in a league of his own, no1 is close to him imo

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sorry man but I disagree, Derke in form is crazy but I don't think he matches Yay's consistency. The worst series I've seen Yay have so far is against EG, and he only went -2. Derke has some games where he just gets completely shutdown imo

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one example of this would be against FPX in late march, Derke went -15, even boaster got more kills than him that series

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that doesnt prove inconsistency? its literally 1 bad series when your team got literally destroyed, not his fault, it was a bad team performance so obviously he wont get 300 acs, yay also has bad series

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Give me one series where Yay has gone -15 or more in 2022 and I'll say that you are right, but I doubt there is one because Yay always performs even if his team isn't there that day unlike Derke

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not comparable, fnatic literally got 13-0d in 1 map, literally destroyed by fpx, optic hasnt gotten destroyed like that so far in 2022, also if you didnt know 1 bad series isnt a proof of inconsistentcy, derke still topfrags 90% of the time

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yeah not comparable because yay is better, yay would never let his team get 13-0d his impact is too much to allow that to happen

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ok you are baiting good bye

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that was his only underperformance this entire year and that was because he wasnt used to chamber , it was his first time. he was still the #2 on his team for the series and that low performance was specifically on ascent where they lost 13-4

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how? derke was top1 acs in champions, top3 acs in challenger 1 and now top2 challengers 2 acs, is thats not being consistent I dont what is, I would even argue derke is even more consistent, yay was kinda meh until playoffs in masters 1

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bro, u need to get ur eyes checked, maybe ur brain too

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why? yay was kinda meh thats a fact, he was consistently good but not spectacular, derke is consistently gigaspectacular

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delusional derke fanboy

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yes, im very delusional, just check the facts, best player statiscally

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statistically, perc30fishfillet and babybay are both better than derke

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yay has never beaten an emea team

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ok boaster reached finals when the game was new totally agree. but fns literally won a trophy when the best region in the world wasnt there to compete that means that victory cant be taken in the same regards. if you actually believe in your point then you have to agree that optic won an easier tournament

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U can give tough competition to trembolona in being delusional

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he probably didnt even watch fnatic play

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oh the reply is to me, mb! marved can see the point on him being better than mistic I agree but the rest I think is pretty reasonable

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You are so lost in the sauce rn you don't even know who is replying to who. Take a breather man

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XD ITS JUST HARD WHEN I HAVE TO SCROLL DOWN THIS MUCH

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That's why too much internet is bad

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Utility usage: Enzo> Crashies. Other fundamentals: Crashies>Frenzo

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how? enzo is probably one of the best players fundamentally, he literally doesnt make mistakes, has the perfect style where it is steady and doesnt rely of his flicking, he reminds me of ropz is a sense (obviously ropz is better ik) but both dont really do mistakes

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alfa and victor a lot closer than u think

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is this a joke? alfajer easily a top5 player itw atm, victor not even top10

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saw this in another thread but fnc probably wins a bo3 but optic win the bo5

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Optic ain't winning no BO5 rofl. Fnatic can play every map except Breeze.

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literally fnatic picking a different map each series, they dont care what map to play and these mfs think a team who is struggling in NA can beat this Fnatic

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Don't judge them until playoffs, they've burned fans before

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True, lets if they can play good off fundamentals and have some depth this time once their gimmicks get figured out but honestly I think this is the strongest fnatic ever, enzo + boaster igl duo too op and derke/alfajer is perfect for this meta

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A team struggling in NA? You clearly know nothing, everything I needed to know about your bias trash opinion

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boaster = fns
Alfaje r>> Victor
Derke > Yay ( if you llok at his stats derke has been way better than tenz in his prime)
Mistic < Marved
Fearoth > Crashies

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i'd argue crashies is better but other than that yes

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boaster<fns(fns real Indian pride)
alfa>>>victor
mistic<<marved
derke~yay
fearoth<<<crashies(no way u guys once again underestimate crashies)

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enzo getting slept on? he will show you in masters

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FINALLY LOVE TO CRASHIES. The guy is SOOOOOO UNDERRATED it's painful to see Enzo (a good player) put ahead of him

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difficult question to answer, individually, optic win. but as a team, hell no. all these comments comparing the wrong things.
boaster=fns
mistic<marved
derke=yay
alfajer>victor
enzo=<crashies (could go either way)

on paper it looks equal but we are not comparing individuals we are comparing teams and right now i have no doubt FNC take the W.

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Honestly I think Fnatic wins individually, alfajer derke and enzo better than victor, yay and crashies + individually boaster is better than fns and mistic is more or less on par with marved

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finally a sane take on this shit website

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derke > optic

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I don't know what the result will be, but it will be one of the most enjoyable matches to watch.

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Fnatic honeymoon phases always do look strong.

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Why did I get downvoted for this? I'm literally complimenting them lmao

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just like the one they will have once they beat optic and lift both trophies this year with your mum

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is that even a question?
Optic just got exposed by some tier 4 shitters yesterday

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EG will wreck a top EMEA team

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Fnatic dominating a washed shit region. If even EG was in EMEA they'd look like prime astralis.

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Emea > Na

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fns and boaster kinda equial imo. I think fnc win always

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I used to see NA in full of hopium mode. Now in this thread, EMEA fans is on another level of hopium.

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Hopefully fnatic can outcringe optic. Want to see boaster n derke bring fnatic a trophy sooner or later

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fns > boaster. boaster better mechanics fns better igl
vic < alfa
marved >>>>> mistic
yay > derke
crashies >> fearoth

optic own, call me when fnatic make it to GFs twice and have a title 🥱🥱

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Derke > 100x yay

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Yay and Derke go toe to toe IMO

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yay 1 world title, 1 world mvp, 2 grand final appearances
derke 0 word titles, 0 word mvps, 1 grand final appearance

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masters ≠ world title

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champions is world lol, but clearly NA teams were too shit to advance into playoffs except C9 which was knocked out the next day

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better than bronzil that didnt make it out of groups until riot felt pity for the tier 3 region and gave them an instant slot into playoffs 💀💀💀. how do you talk when u go out dead last in masters 2 and 3, winning matches only with exploits LUL. trash bronzil

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NIP winning against leviatan, made Loud To playoffs actually, if leviatan had won it would have been KRU, also loud made it to finals actually.

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Ironic considering how many EU teams made it past groups last masters

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we love lineup larry's

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mini has given 0 controversial interviews, thats a W in my books

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oak