they can downvote it but they can't respond to it, tells you all you need to know
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they can downvote it but they can't respond to it, tells you all you need to know
Nah i hate to break it to you but every team that placed above Fnatic at champs woulda beat them at champs.
Loud - Self explanatory, it literally happened twice. woulda happened the first time too if not for a historic choke/comeback.
PRX - PRX with something have outperformed Fnatic at every single tournament since Tokyo. You could make the case that they coulda beat them at Tokyo as well, considering that champs was only a month later and they got second and beat the team that beat fnatic twice (loud), and managed a close win vs EG .
EG - EG at tokyo was one smoke spam away from beating Fnatic in a bo3, and that was without like 2 weeks of prac with their star player, and while they were still on their upward trajectory, which peaked at champs and proved without a doubt that they were the best team at that tournament.
Finally, a team that is getting 13-1'd by DRX on their own map pick wasn't gonna beat any of those 3.
Less likely for Cinderella teams to win
No, Cinderella runs are unaffected, mickey mouse runs are just impossible. For example Zeta at Reykjavic and EG at Tokyo were both cinderella runs (Double Elim) .
In single Elim, we had Karmine Corp (like the worst t1 team ever, by far) look promising vs LOUD and Furia be competitive vs Fnatic. These are mickey-mouse performances that double elim (and a qualifier) would have prevented from affecting the result, should those games have gone the other way.
Upper bracket games feel less suspenseful (Because even if they lose they’re not out)
If you don't understand that literally every match is extremely important, then I don't know what to tell you.
For many matches in the lower bracket, one team has more time to prepare than the other
Extremely marginal issue, far outweighed by the benefits of double elim.
So many games takes away the gravity of each one
Erm... No it doesnt??? Literally just more to watch?? It's not like the stakes/importance of one match is decreased by another equally important match being scheduled 30 mins later.
Viability/Success aside it must be such a headache playing against these guys like why tf are there 5 people in CT A on Icebox attack pistol LMAOOOOOO
thats more of a skill issue than a system issue
why not have jingg reyna something jett? Sova Jett Reyna KJ Omen. obv still non-meta but close enough that they can be competitive
single elim is obv garbo, but your right on the money about a longer season. So little games makes it impossible for a team to develop players and is just so bad for the scene in general
They are learning what the 'meta' in meta comp really means
Fixed for you
C: Cryo, Cloud
L: Less
M: Meteor
T: Tenz,Texture
J: Jawgemo
Z: Zekken
N: N4rrate
yeah this guy is the truth. If he does it again vs DRX he's the 03' Lebron of Valorant
https://www.vlr.gg/371992/official-primmie-receipt-thread
10 mins left to make a prediction
Until primmie debut
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Someone didn't do the assigned reading
https://www.vlr.gg/368075/fixing-every-na-roster-for-next-season
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he's not even the best raze on fnatic LOL
Prime EG i'll give you but you seem to deny that teams now are generally better than teams then.
https://clips.twitch.tv/FamousSullenTarsierSmoocherZ-uPMMAkW8au1_noXw
Jingg on SEN's form during scrims vs them during champs (when they first got Johnqt). SEN would go onto dominate the offseason - beating PRX with jingg who got 2nd at champs - and then of course do what they did at Madrid.
and before the bitching starts read the following:
https://crk.umn.edu/library/primary-secondary-and-tertiary-sources#:~:text=These%20classifications%20are%20based%20on,which%20is%20considered%20second%20hand.
This clip is a primary source, you are not.
i think plenty of people talk about it lol. We all know he's insane
If I could I'd buy riot and completely overhaul the terrible qualifications/regular season points system currently, and completely overhaul T2.
Don't know specifically what i'd do, but surely it's possible to do better than what it is currently. The basic idea of 2 masters into champs stays the same.
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1658/champions-tour-2023-americas-last-chance-qualifier
https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1189/champions-tour-2023-americas-league
0.93 and 1.03 yeah these are really some redgar numbers huh? 🤡🤡🤡
Especially considering SEN was surrounding him with elite talent such as Shroud and Dephh.
and in that same year Chronicle won back to back trophies
and in the same VCT Season (2024) Tenz won a trophy, Chronicle has 0 wins at LAN and PI'd in an elimination game vs FUT.
BTW here's a drawing of Chronicle's back to back trophies:
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EVERY TEAM AT LOCK IN WOULD WIN BERLIN EASILY TOO.
AND CHAMPS 21.
AND PROBABLY EVERYTHING UP TO COPENHAGEN.
DO YOU GUYS SEE THE HOOPS YOU'RE JUMPING THROUGH LMAO
JUST BECAUSE A GAME DEVELOPS DOESNT MEAN PAST EVENTS DON'T COUNT
DO KOBE,MAGIC,JORDAN,BIRD, AND ALL THE OTHER GREATS HAVE NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS BECAUSE THEY GOT THEM BEFORE THE 3PT REVOLUTION???
And lets take it even further, since we're doing "level of play" schenanigans. SEN Madrid was at a much higher level of play than Berlin or Tokyo (one of the reasons Fnatic got smacked in kickoff was because they didnt innovate- same comps, strats etc) so by ur own reasoning, Tenz > Chronicle. Im glad you finally accepted the truth!
even still, Tenz has exactly as many masters trophies as Chronicle, its just that he was comparatively better when he got his.
Tenz > Chronicle
you really can't come up with a reason why reykavic doesnt count other than
"hurr durr teams get better over time so earlier events never happened"
Pretty embarrassing, but expected from someone who thinks Lock-In > a real, international masters event
If level of play is what matters then only GENG has a trophy, cuz the level of play was lower in all previous events right? Glad you realize how stupid that is
Yo fun fact the full name of Reykjavik 2021 is Valorant Champions Tour Stage 2: Masters Reykjavík
I made the' Masters' bold so you could see it better. Did it help? lmk.
also the full name of Lock in was : Champions Tour 2023: LOCK//IN São Paulo
so actually you have it exactly in reverse.
Hope that cleared things up for you!
Yes, a Masters event with a qualification system and a double elim > a preseason, single elim, showcase tourney
lmfao and its so obvious too god people on vlr are so dumb
Chronicle is a legend but lets be real, Tenz clears.
Chronicle was never the best player on any of his winning teams, nor ever the best player in the world.
He was 2nd best on Gambit (it was Nats' team)
He was 3rd best on Fnatic (Leo and Alfa clearly the top 2)
and he has a history of dropping the ball in big games, notably in his last two international performances
-22 overall, 0.57 Final Map in Champs elimination match:
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3/?game=all&tab=overview
The infamous Pi match vs Fut to end FNC's shanghai run:
https://www.vlr.gg/348468/fut-esports-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-lr1/?game=170800&tab=overview
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Tenz has been the best player in the world - by a distance that will probably never be matched and was 2nd best in his next run.
1st on SEN original, obviously
2nd on current SEN (Johnqt is a great player and can be argued here, but most of the time Tenz is a bit better, for example, see: https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf/?game=all&tab=overview, and even if you put him 3rd, thats a still a higher average than Chron)
They both have 2 Masters Trophies, so they are equally decorated.
If you wanna say Chronicle 3 because of Lock-in, I will laugh at you, and remind you that the universe broke that mickey mouse trophy for a reason.
thats kinda an arbitrary condition, especially given how rare those scores are
EG famously got 13-0'd by Loud then won champs
FNC won tokyo then got 13-1'd by DRX at champs
trexx over lakia and leaf over meteor is criminal
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commenting for more traction i need an answer
ardiss with pre-patch chamber ult clears ngl
1v1 in the arena Hulk fought Thor in in Ragnarok
They know nothing about each other
Start 150 feet apart
Predator
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T-800 Model
Has the Pistol with the laser sight from the first movie with 2 extra mags
this is the most fnatic flair list i've ever seen
enzo and wardell if you count weapon one-tricks
Lock in 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
mickey mouse merchant
yeah and he got mossed 3-0 by him lmaoooo 😂😂😂
-20 vs ZOMBS
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Elimination game
1.29 vs 0.98 rating
+20 vs 0
13/2 vs 10/13 FK/D ratio
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3
lol there are 3 players on his team that are higher than him all time
oh then yeah i wouldnt disagree
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