its a ranked match tho not a pro match them being 'tier 1' or 'tier 2' is pretty irrelevant they're not gonna have set strats and protocols they're just playing. And enzo and magnum don't strike me as ranked demons.

I got the EU team winning the ascent 13-10ish (because of FNS Kayo while Boaster comfort role) but I felt the lineup was pretty balanced

now that i'm looking him it looks like almost all of his content is chamber, but it shouldn't matter much its a ranked match and most people at the top 100 level can play any agent well (for ranked purposes)

i have no clue i just know he's a popular eu streamer who's hit rank 1 and is known for his aim routine

Boaster and Derke vs FNS and S0m ranked duo showdown
These teams queue into each other in a ranked match

Map 1 - Breeze

Boaster - Viper
Derke - Jett
Khunaa - Reyna
Horcus - Skye
XMS - Cypher

vs

FNS - Cypher
Eggster - Yoru
S0m - Viper
Screwface - Sova
Sarah - Kayo

Map 2 - Ascent

Boaster - Omen
Derke - Jett
Magnum - KJ
Sayonara - Reyna
Enzo - Sova

vs

Dasnerth - Cypher
S0m - Clove
FNS - Kayo
Mada - Jett
Brawk - Sova

thats a good one, added

1. FNC "We only lost because of Loud" - an iconic cope
2. C9 "Role issues" - honestly if they just came out and said esports was in a rough place and they couldnt afford his salary it would have been much more well-received than this obv lie
3. SEN "Burnout" - At the start it was fair but its definitely not why they started losing to Loud and 100T
4. Navi "Doombros is the problem" - 💀💀💀💀
5. Yay "His teammates aren't setting him up" - nah he just fell off, plain and simple
6. NRG "Slow Starters" - nah bruh Biank clears
7. Mel "Not in franchising because of sexism" - yeah thats it......

lmk some more and i'll add them where i think they belong

Sym when he's on is the best player in the world, unfortunately he has a consistency problem

you're about to have a really rough august

KR, USA Russia, Turkey, Brazil, and Canada are the clear powerhouses

Nismo

The rest are all fair points but regarding sayf vs zekken

Does he do more with less or does he do more because he has less?

Zekken is consistently the top fragger on SEN which has both Tenz and Johnqt (Sacy and Zellsis are supports).

Nobody else on VIT is a hard fragger (Trexx included, he's not a hard fragger the same way Riens is, for example)

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I also can't see sayf putting up these kinds of performances against top teams in bo5s

Zekken
(OPTC)
https://www.vlr.gg/107743/optic-gaming-vs-xset-champions-tour-north-america-stage-2-challengers-gf/?game=all&tab=overview
(GENG)
https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf

Sayf
(Prime FNC)
https://www.vlr.gg/213198/fnatic-vs-team-liquid-champions-tour-2023-emea-league-gf
(Current FNC)

Duelist:
Sayf is not better than Zekken, also Something should be there

Initiator:
Trexx Clears Riens

Senti:
Meteor on Top, also Alfa might not even be better than Benjy, and if anything he's a flex atp

Controller:
Im fine with this

Flex:
Roberto "Mazino" Rivas and Jason "Forsaken" Susanto belong here

ok but no joke they were actually moving different vs nrg they were hitting 3ks through smokes and shit. It's as if what ardiss said activated them like the winter soldier.

Less is why Alfajer can't call himself a world champion.

Less doesn't have that problem tho.

https://dotesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/less-valorant-settings-2.jpg

the only place he owns him is in your delusions buddy.

In the real world he actually got owned by Less 3 times.

....exactly?

Less and Alfajer were in the same lobby three times.
Less was by far the better sentinel in the lobby all three times.
Senti Diff.

he got against other teams

The ratings in their head to head, genius.

https://www.vlr.gg/167393/loud-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-gf 1.20 vs 0.97
https://www.vlr.gg/248270/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-ubqf 1.23 vs 1.06
https://www.vlr.gg/248282/fnatic-vs-loud-valorant-champions-2023-playoffs-lr3 1.14 vs 0.80

Less 3-0, big senti gap every time.

if they play harbor on ascent again no joke they should be kicked out of franchising cuz they're clearly not trying to win. There's gotta be some rule about that in the rulebook.

he once carried me in a swiftplay so i'll allow it

if blg does it again this site is gonna crash. God i wish it does

oh my god ur right I can't believe I forgot about Koala (i haven't watched alot of t2 recently, forgive me). He's a great player and especially with ops and other scoped weapons. I'd probably put him above Keiko but idk whether to choose him over mada or vice versa

yeah nobody in their right mind thinks Icy has a better raze and ESPECIALLY Jett than Oxy. This is why we watch the games and not just the stat page. I bet if you asked every pro in americas which player they'd rather have as the enemy Jett it would be unanimous.

'a special quality, especially one that is essential for success and is difficult to describe'

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/x-factor

Although to be fair, with Jawgemo it is pretty easy to describe. He plays like he's in constant clove ult and somehow pulls it off. Certainly special (who else plays quite like jawgemo does?) and leads to success for his team.

If jawgemo isn't an X factor then nobody is

First of all, this isn't meant to shit on Icy, G2 has done well with him. However, it is a bit obvious G2 lacks the firepower and star fragger they need to take them to the next level, especially since the America's duelist scene is incredibly stacked. He does fit well in their system, but Saya and Tex also fit well in their system, and its not a big stretch to say that they can get another
,and for lack of a better word, better player to also fit their system.

1. Jawgemo - The obvious pick. World Champion that can take over games and give them an X factor.
2. N4rrate - An absolute stud who can frag out but also brings a lot of flexibility.
3. Oxy - Its Oxy. This kid is the truth. Also, they can likely develop him as a player infinitely better than C9 has.
4. Reduxx - Yes Mada has the better stats and all but I feel Reduxx is the better player. Also a better long-term investment.
5. Victor - He looked good on duelist and brings a lot of experience. A safe pick.
6. Mada - A bit rough around the edges, but undeniably has the fragging power G2 needs. Has been going nuclear in t2.
7. Keiko - A risk, but the talent is there.

its a list for 21st century, so post 2000 athletes

this list? https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/40446224/top-100-athletes-21st-century

Serena being #2 is a DEI pick forsure

Real top 5:

1. Bolt - Fastest Human Ever, by alot. You literally watched to see how much he would beat the next guy by.
2. Phelps - Greatest Olympian Ever, set 7 world records in one Olympics. Might actually be a fish.
3. Messi - Undisputed GOAT of the biggest sport in the world.
4. Tom Brady - Most Clutch player in any sport, more rings than Thanos has stones, the ultimate leader and winner.
5. Tiger Woods - You probably can't name another golfer

G2 N4rrate

Aspas and Kingg lock them in the torture chamber and throw away the key

Exactly

Brady vs Mahomes 2018 AFC Championship

For once. There is nothing wrong with the groups. Every group has 1 team from each region. Yes EMEA got kinda lucky with getting china for their first matches, but they will have to have 1 match from another region, and someone else is gonna have to face china at least once as well.

• It has double elim
• You are guaranteed that you will not be eliminated from another team you face domestically (nobody wants to see that, and this used to be the main complaint for the format back in the day, now its fixed)

You know the site has lost its mind when he looks like the reasonable one.

Aspas vs Primmie
The present vs the future
The Experienced and Legendary Master Shifu imprisons (groups) the Youthful and Talented Tai Lung
Brady vs Mahomes 2018 AFC Championship

I will be there no matter what.

NEW RIVALRY?????

Why do I have a feeling...

Grouped

Fixes:
Sentinel - Less is by himself(chamber isn't a sentinel). He gapped Alfa 3-0, and they were BIG gaps. By the end of August it might be Meteor
IGL - Currently Saadhak. When Saadhak had a superteam built for him, he went through Optic to become a world champion. When Boaster had a superteam built him, it was Saadhak stopped him from being a world champion. He's also just straight up the better player. By the end of August it might be Munchkin.
Op - Aspas for all-time, yay for prime. HM to Nivera (he was nice, rewatch those vods)
Raze Mechanics: First of all, get off the drugs. Jawgemo or Jingg (nukkye still living off of one clip to this day huh?)

Additions:
Classic - Unironically Zellsis
Shorty - Something, HM to twisten <3
Flash Init - Ethan
Post-round Scream - Yetujey
Missing Raze Ults/Ults - You know exactly who

If Biank was put under hypnosis to believe he was playing NRG it would be possible

🚨 NOBODY RESPOND 🚨
https://www.vlr.gg/373637/how-to-identify-engagement-bait

OK
https://www.vlr.gg/373637/how-to-identify-engagement-bait

This is a bad time to make this thread C0m is topfragging rn

He was best player of champs 21 though

Still just as wrong as the first time you said it.

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Anyways, you can't be the GOAT if you've never been better than your teammates.
End of Discussion

you said he was the best player at champs 2021 and he just wasn't lol. Now you're changing the subject talking about berlin and shit.

Here it is again incase you forgot

and best player at champs 2021

Somebody got caught lying and is mad now lol

i didn't see any evidence. Let me go look for some

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/449/valorant-champions-2021

Damn apparently Crashies was also the best player at Champs 21

best player at champs 2021

Bro is literally just making shit up

Arguably best player on gambit

No he wasn't. People who say he was carried are wrong, but it was obviously nats' team.

Also to be the best of all time doesnt mean you have to be the best at any time

Actually... In any GOAT debate you had to be at least the best of your own era. Literally true for every sport/esport. If lebron wasn't the best player during the 2010s, he would immediately be disqualified from the goat debate. So yeah, you do have the be the best player in the world for at least some period of time.

Besides that, if we go by your own definition:

up there with the greatest for a ridiculous amount of time

Then Aspas and Less have, on an individual basis, been the best or MINIMUM second best in their role for their entire career.

If we just look at Aspas, the only people who were ever considered individually better than him on duelist were : Prime Yay, Prime EG Demon1. Thats the entire list.

How chronicle can be considered the greatest player of ALL TIME while never once being the best AT ANY TIME, or ever being the best on any of his teams boggles my mind.

Chronicle was definitely not carried, but it was Nats' team

now show us their ratings