you forgot about the whole 'pick who you play' incident?

https://www.vlr.gg/348463/paper-rex-vs-g2-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-ubqf

nah I think SEN has them beat at every level

IGl Johnqt > Mrfallin
Init Sacy >= Mrfallin
Duelist Zekken > Cned
Controller Tenz >> Atakaptan
Senti Johnqt = Yetujey > Zellsis
Other Zellsis > Qraxs

I agree

Well Kru recently got 6 rounds in a series, which is a really bad sign, so i got 100T over them, and SEN is guaranteed and 100t beat SEN, so yeah i got 100T 3rd

Region comparison Seed-wise (i dont watch china, and my its just my guess on who will end up 1st, 2nd, etc)

1st place: FNC vs LEV vs Gen.G - Winner: Gen.G
2nd Place: TH vs G2 vs PRX - Winner: G2
3rd Place: Vit vs 100T vs DRX - Winner : Unclear
4th Place: Fut vs SEN vs TLN - Winner : SEN

Challenge for the people who have Chronicle first

Name one period of time that he was the best player in the world

was pretty widely considered the best player on FNC when they won back to back

here comes bulkylettuce....

I also predict NAVI will have 0 wins at Champs. Stay tuned!

1. Talon will pull off an upset in their first game, the primmie hypetrain will get out of control, then they will lose and get knocked out decisively.
2. FPX will meet and defeat Fnatic at some point
3. FUT will be the highest performing EMEA team
4. DRX will meet G2 and it will be the match of the year

I feel like the riot game designers are the kind of people you meet in swiftplay and unrated who know all the agent lore but not common trips like Sunset B trip and stuff like that

FNC will lose to FPX, It was revealed to me in a dream

If red bull home ground C9 Curry shows up SEN is winning champs

Ange1 cleared them until Leo and Chronicle came along

lmao we're still doing the "we only lost cuz of loud" routine?

For all the people saying its one bad game, his average rating over the past 4 is 0.96, which is equal to BBL Brave.

Doctor didn't write the addy prescription i guess

https://www.vlr.gg/team/17/gen-g

He is the best player in EMEA (Leo is inactive)

Erick Santos

Since when was Navi a top team of 2023 😂😂😂

Munchkin is on the cusp of igling the greatest team ever while we wouldn't even be talking about Ange1 if PRX didn't play Fade on breeze.

Ange1 loses this this just on the account of trolling his team's roles and wasting an entire year of Cned's career

see my comment above
tldr: Verno good on same agents, better firepower, better long-term investment

Zellsis is literally the glue, SEN falls apart without him.

Let me start by saying for Sacy that he is a legend and a great player. But Verno is literally the biggest prospect in the entire region, and he plays Sacy's role/agents, is a proven stud, and is a definite firepower upgrade. He would also be a fantastic long term investment, given that unfortunately Sacy is getting up there career wise.

You know that M80 had a mid-season roster crisis where they lost their IGL right? (kinda an important role)
That probably explains his 'falloff' where he's still one of the best players in challengers.
And last year he was by far the best t2 player for the entire year

1st place main league - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1458/challengers-league-north-america
2nd place ascension tourney - https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1653/champions-tour-2023-americas-ascension?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=all

You know was there with him? Tex, EEIU, Valyn, Verno, N4rrate, Oxy, JonahP, Trent, Moose, Governor, Mada. Nismo was better than all of them last year. And this year when he's in a 'slump' (which there's a very good reason for, as explained earlier), he has a 1.10 rating.

Asuna has had a good year, if this continue's there's no case for replacing him, but lets not act like prior to this season he wasn't the posterchild of inconsistency.

brother they need any help they can get after that season

nah cloud is the truth bro trust, plus the food bill will be lower

Nismo just as good on raze, but actually a consistent player

+deadlock

maybe for flyuh or stellar but i have more faith in them and think they deserve a shot to prove themselves

We shall see...

extended version of my previous post - https://www.vlr.gg/368075/fixing-every-na-roster-for-next-season
Obviously not meant to be whats realistically gonna happen.
Only imports are Cloud and Nats because they've deserved better than what EMEA has been giving them for a LONG time

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NRG
Cloud
Demon1
N4rrate
S0m
FNS
(mce)

SEN
Verno
Zekken
Tenz
Johnqt
Zellsis

G2
Jawgemo
Leaf
Valyn
JonahP
Trent

EG
Reduxx/Mada/Koala (my choice is Mada)
Stellar
Derrek
Supamen/Skuba (my choice is Skuba)
Nats

C9
Flyuh
Zander
Brawk
Ethan
Oxy

100T
Nismo
Cryo
Bang
Boostio
Eeui

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LEV
Nzr
Aspas
Kingg
Tex
Mazino

KRU
Honestly just run it back the roster is fine and the talent is there they just need to learn how to win

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LOUD
Mwzera
Saadhak
Less
Pancada
Caunzin

FURIA
Sacy
Tuyz
I like Artzin/Havoc
Slot 4
Slot 5
I don't know anything about Brazilian t2 so just pick up whoever makes sense for slots 3/4/5

MIBR
They're gonna get relegated and replaced by whoever wins ascension so the problem fixes itself.

Sage. Sage's abilities would allow for them to play pheonix.

little kids who weren't alive during wayne's prime are all gonna say kendrick

"Fnatic are gonna win champs"

Benjamin David Fish - https://media.tenor.com/GQ1IqDGPMCAAAAAe/spongebob-squarepants-patrick-star.png

Aspas 2x Champ? ❌
Sacy 2x Champ? ❌
Icy 2x Champ? ✔️

Step 1: bench tuyz (he's not bad but pancada is doing pancada things)
Step 2 : poach primmie, make him grind portuguese duolingo in offseason
Step 3 : Dominate

ehh, fair enough i guess

At the end of the day, both had respectable matches vs Geng

but beating FPX ( a solid team) > anything that FNC did internationally this year

and??? im not sure how that relates to any of the points made?

FPX performed virtually identically to FNC against KC, then Loud beat FPX.

If KC being young has anything to do with that, surely the same applies for KC vs FNC where they were younger

yeah but the FPX at Madrid was basically performing identically to Fnatic at the time, based off how they did vs KC

https://www.vlr.gg/303094/fnatic-vs-karmine-corp-champions-tour-2024-emea-kickoff-playoffs-sf/?game=160739&tab=overview
https://www.vlr.gg/312765/karmine-corp-vs-funplus-phoenix-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-swiss-stage-r1/?game=162326&tab=overview

both got 13-10'd on Lotus and 13-8'd on the other

Who hurt you

SEN management lmao

to be fair...
https://www.vlr.gg/348061/funplus-phoenix-vs-fut-esports-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-r1
https://www.vlr.gg/348468/fut-esports-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2024-masters-shanghai-lr1

and if Tuyz didn't mess up a plant on icebox they had a really good chance of beating Geng at madrid

BRO POSTING KILL +- LMAO I CANT

Sao Paulo 1.20 vs 0.97
Champs 1 1.23 vs 1.06
Champs 2 1.14 vs 0.80

Less 3-0

Less hard gapped him all three times

i know :.(

solves loud's duelist problem, letting them get back to what was working

Get ready to learn portuguese buddy, LOUD is calling your name

https://www.vlr.gg/373637/how-to-identify-engagement-bait

mf's forgot about nivera that man was too nice with the awp

also, prime yay

claims that I'm being hypothetical, proceeds to talk about derke's speculation (cope) that they woulda beat EG and PRX if they beat loud.

Lets go through it one more time

The Facts
#1 Loud beat FNC twice at champs, coulda won the first time
#2 PRX with Something playing has outperformed Fnatic ever since (Champs, Madrid, and Shanghai)
#3 A fast improving EG came very close to beating Fnatic in a Bo3 at Tokyo even with complications surrounding practice with their star player.
#4 DRX nearly 13-0'd Fnatic on their own map pick at champs

The 'Hypothetical' parts
A. PRX could have beat Fnatic at Tokyo if they had Something - This plausible due to #2
B. EG would have beaten Fnatic at Tokyo
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B is pretty obvious to anybody who watched the tournament, but since you wanna pretend we don't have eyes, lets look at it in more detail.

#4 logically implies that EG would have won, because it means Fnatic was playing at a level much weaker than EG, given that EG dunked on DRX

#3 logically implies that EG would have won, given that they already gave them a respectable fight when they were weaker and had prac/visa issues

#1 logically implies that EG would have won, given that Loud > Fnatic, and EG > Loud (proved it in Bo5)

#2 plausibly implies that EG would have won, given that EG > PRX, and PRX is at least plausibly better than FNC (see A)

okay but EG C0m was actually cold asf during the time tho