This is an odd question, but any players you root for that you wish were just a bit better? For me it’s probably soulcas 🥲

Fax, no amount of aim training or even deathmatching makes up for simply play the game a fuck ton

Why do you believe flicking become more important at a higher level?

I feel like tracking is very underrated for tac fps, most people say it’s not very useful compared to micro flicking or just flicks in general, but training tracking has really helped me out
Feel like my ability to control my mouse so so much better, my micro flicks improve, and I can more easily maintain good crosshair placement

Personally if I had these 5, I would order them like
Aspas/chronicle
Chronicle/aspas
Derke
Leo
Tenz

But my list would probably have less tbh

Derke is individually better than tenz and has accomplished more than him, Leo most definitely is

Absolutely not, kiles has a champs win while jinggg has won nothing but jinggg clears him with his eyes closed and two hands tied behind his back
Indivodual Skill = performance in intl tourneys
Trophies = being a good player in a top tier team
I still think he’s one of the all time greats but his trophies don’t put him above everyone other than fnc

I don’t think Mount Rushmore is a goat list, but rather the top 4 most impactful players (which includes skill)

IMO (top 3) player 2021
N/A 2022,2023
Top (8-10) player 2024
2 masters trophies won
1x masters mvp
Highest rating of any intl tournament mvp

Honestly, tenz could have been the goat if he had a better roster in 2022 and 2023, but he still leaves as top 10 if not top 5 of all time currently

Outside of competition, he is the most followed valorant player, played a huge part in promoting sentinels and valorant
Definitely a Mount Rushmore esque player if not a goat imo

Victor was an absolute demon back then, I remember him dropping 55 in 2 maps vs sen with Sinatraa

Witz with that sherrif against acend and that close game vs gambit, still remember

Oh nah

Who got y’all into valorant? For me personally it was Hiko, I was 100t fan all of 2020

I’d still put nats on top 5, he practically invented half of the sentinel play style
He’s only not making lans because of how horrifically dogshit his teams have been, and he still looked good in 2023

Sscary is not a top 5 smoker of all time, scream isn’t a top 5 duelist either

The problem is that tenz having two trophies is not proof of his consistency because his team was horrible for 2 years

I don’t think trophies is everything tbh, individual skill is more important for goat convo (not saying tenz doesn’t have the skill to be the goat)

Think he’s just an optic fan tbh

Narrate is just victor but better and sacy role clashes with crashies (unless he’s leaving)

Sen 2021 was better than sen 2024, more dominant imo

So yes, kang kang absolutely had a great champs and was obviously the finals mvp, how can he be the best player of the tournament if TWO of his teammates played better than him in like 5 other matches?
A tournament isn’t just the finals, no matter how impressive his finals performance is imo

we just got to agree to disagree, because if chichoo and smoggy didn’t perform as well as they did, kang kang wouldn’t have even gotten to the grand finals imo
It is the most important match
, but it’s easier to have one incredible performance than multiple great ones imo

I was mostly going off champs form but I changed it

U got a point tbh

Really? I thought king played quite well I could be misremembering

Last tourney and split

Idk bro the top 10 list constantly changes, this is literally at the exact moment after champs
It would look very different across 2024

Tenz is absolutely top 10, name 10 players better than him right now

We didn’t get to see him play much during champs, this is right at this moment
Otherwise Leo texture Karon and meteor would prolly make the list

Exactly, but chichoo and smoggy were better than him every single match except the finals essentially
I’m not saying that kangkang had a bad tournament, but he clearly wasn’t edg’s best player across the ENTIRE tourney

LMFAO it autocorrected woot

Updated

This is extremely hard to actually order but here’s my current top 10

S. CanadaMan

1. Chichoo
2. Riens
3. Aspas
4. Zekken
5. Smoggy
6. KangKang
7. Chronicle
8. Tenz
9. Texture (cause grouped, I actually think he’s the best or 2nd best player of 2024)
10. Karon

I know the Aspas one will be controversial lol

Actually, excluding the grand finals kang kang didn’t mvp any series and barely had a 1 rating
Watching the matches, it clear smoggy and chichoo were the standout players for the whole tourney minus the finals

His overall tournament performance wasn’t even close to chichoo or smoggy, he wouldn’t have the chance to play that well in finals if they hadn’t brought him there
That’s why he’s the finals mvp and one of them is the tournament mvp imo

Yeah 😂
Starxo turned the fuck up for semis and grands tho that shit was crazy

Regardless I think the ops point was that Jawgemo despite being the best player during the finals was not the champs mvp, so why should kang kang be so?

Which is absolute bullshit imo, you could have someone play like shit the entire way through and have a good day during grands and get mvp
So stupid imo

If u watched the game Jawgemo was more impactful, he got many more kills, first engagements and 280 ACS in 4 maps, rating values low deaths too much

Feel like chichoo was better during playoffs but it’s definitely either smoggy or chichoo

Even going back to masters Reykjavik 2021, tenz’s peak was incredible but shahzam nearly put up the same stats while igling which is bonkers

A lot of people used to glaze Aspas when loud won despite him being the worst player when they won champs, didn’t give pancada less and sacy their credit during champs 2022

I heard kang kang got the mvp bracelet for champs, kinda sucks for chichoo and smoggy
It feels like flashy players and duelist players always get more credit than consistent impactful players, sure kang kang was the grand finals mvp but smoggy and chichoo were way better throughout the tourney
Edg never would have made finals without those two

Could have done the raze thing with chamber and brought up his pro play stats in 2022

🤮🤮 🤮 BROS ONTO NOTHING‼️‼️‼️

HELLLLLLL NOOO
Cause then shadow and ace gamer are low key close to him and so is yessirski
We don’t mention those

If he’d been a bit more creative the yay gimmick would have been as good as the mwzera one

Chunkio might just the goat
It’s between him and trembologna

Yeah 😂 nun else too look at
But 15-1 is insane tbh

Narrates always played and excelled at initiator….but I’ll allow the cope cause that would be an insane roster
Sen could low key get verno replace sacy and let narrate play flex in place of zellsis

Bro is farming na ranked goddamn
He best be getting on a top tier team
https://tracker.gg/valorant/profile/riot/KC%20N4RRATE%23RANK1/overview