It’s impossible for meteor to surpass tenz’s peak by pure stats and prolly for everyone else because no one will ever play in such a shit era of valorant that the team without a coach and a duelist igl goes flawless in maps and wins. And what I brought up second was that clearly tenz in 2024 could get diffed by more than just 2 players, so I’m confused how u have him top 2 if 2022 and 2023 hadn’t happened. Scream/keznit/yay outperformed him in 2021 when they played, he’ll even keloqz did. His peak at Reykjavik was unbelievable but it was also due to worse competition.

I’ll always value consistency more since I feel like valorant is super flukey. We see teams and players rise and fall all the time. With constantly changing map pool and meta and new agents, you need to be so good that you’re able to be consistent even despite this.

I think 2020-2021. Reasoning being that teams used to get away with having horrendous IGLs and even playing without coaches. In 2022, it’s still Mickey Mouse compared to 23 onwards, but at least we saw the visible impact of coaches and IGLs.

I don’t have sacy on the goat list. Chronicle I have 5th, only 2 spots over tenz at 7th. I have Alfa, Leo, derke, and Aspas all over chron.

And why isn’t meteor over tenz? Doesn’t he have the same amount of trophies? Or do you selectively choose when individual performance matters? You’re a pretty smart dude but you have a giant blind spot regarding sentinel players. I would not trust tenz in any year after 2024 to outperform the fnc/loud players. Hell, even when sen eliminated fnc, chron and derke still differ him.

Dawg got a pity mvp while getting carried by two of his teammates, and goat list in a team game is not a trophy contest. Less in 2024 diffed the fuck out of prime meteor with ease when they played with the far worse team while losing.

Meteor has more recent trophies than tenz and beat better competition to get them. Guess he’s number 1 then? What about chronicle? You have him number 1? Lmfao stop being salty bud none of this shit objective. You still haven’t actually been able to argue why he’s better individually than any of these players other than speculate “🤓☝️ ERM iF hIs tEaM wAs gOoD hE wOuLd bEaT eVeRyoNe!!!”

Less’s peak was top 10-top 5 in 2022-2023. He also played unbelievable in 2024’s first third and 2025 hasn’t ended. Also, I personally don’t have meteor top 10 2023, he was extremely overrated in Bangkok and kickoff, I had buzz and izu above him. He was top 10 in 2024 though. Because of that, I have him lower.

Chronicle was nearly as good. I didn’t say he was mvp. It was undeniable he played nearly as good as nats and was definitely the grand finals mvp as well. You can rewatch the games if you want.

Being too 4 on year and top 10 another year makes him top 2? Chronicle was top 2 in 2021, top 10 in 2023, and arguably top 10 this year too. Derke has been top 10 bare minimum every year in valorant. Aspas was top 10 in 2022, top 5 in 23, top 5 in 24. Alfajer was top 2 in 2023, top 10 this year. He still wouldn’t be top 2.

Meteor and Karon having peaks in 2024 does indeed help them, but they don’t surpass less and mako because less and mako were also good in 2023/2024 and were good in 2022 as well. Consistency is most important, but peaking at more competitive eras in valorant is more valuable. For an example, if less only played good in 2022, and meteor only played good in 2024, meteor > less oat.

Lots of logical backing. The first masters is the least impressive because teams get better as the year goes on, not to mention Reykjavik was smaller than Berlin or champs. A lot of teams and rosters that attended Reykjavik (nuturn, version1, sharks) didn’t make Berlin or champs or didn’t place high at them either.

You can’t speculate on how tenz would have played if he had a good team. What we did see was inconsistency n a regional level in 2022, and straight up struggling in 2023. That impacts the legacy of any player and tenz is no exception just because he redeemed himself.

How is that an invalid argument. More recent years = higher level of competitive valorant, more competition due to better players as well (teams with players like prime loud, prime optic, prime prx, prime fox, prime fnatic as opposed to acend/old kru/old liquid/old fnatic). Performing in recent years will always trump farming in the plumber era wher zombs was once considered the best smokes player itw.

And tenz struggled with Zekken, marved, pancada, and sacy. Guild had yacine and koldamenta and Russ (before you bring up dephh).

Nats is definitely the best, but you need to rewatch Berlin because your forgetting how good chron played at Berlin. Tenz’s peak at Reykjavik is less impressive because masters 1 is automatically less impressive than later tourneys. Also, tenz only really played well in the first g2 match and first map vs NV. His stats were boosted by farming f4q (one of the worst teams at the tourney) twice.

Also nats above him could be wrong, but less was arguably top 5 in 2022-2023 and top 1 in the first third of 2024. He was more consistent than tenz and had a prime in a more competitive era of valorant. He hasn’t had a 2 year slump like tenz ever.

What the fuck are you on about. Chronicle put up similar stats to nats in Berlin while mvping grand finals. He then proceeded to be the single best player at champions. Cned was better than tenz by a huge margin in champions, and was better at Berlin despite not farming f4q for stats twice. Also you forgot what happened to nv at champs.

Leo is not even close to debatable. Leo with a shit team 2022 and kind of 2024 played so much better than tenz in 2022 and 2023 that it’s honestly laughable to even compare them. He was also the best player across a year, something tenz never achieved. Also, his prime year is much more recent than tenz’s prime year. Having a prime in 2023-early 2024, is more impressive than in 2021, the plumber era

Also wdym laughable? Explain how’s he’s better than chronicle, cned, or nats.

Trophies isn’t the only thing that matters in a goat list when valorant is a 5v5 fps with abilities. To win, you need a good team with a good igl and a good understanding of the meta + good map pool. Your own individual skill is only a fraction of what it takes to win a trophy, which is why many avg players have won trophies across valorant history.

Id prolly have him 7th or 8th personally. I have Leo, Aspas, derke, Alfajer, chronicle, and less above him for sure. There is a decent argument for nats (depending on how much you value trophies), but I’d have tenz 7th or 8th depending on where you put nats.

who you put above him? Who do you have 9-12th?

Sacy > Leo is genuinely the dumbest shit I’ve ever seen. That’s like saying kiles > leaf on senti all time cause he has a champs trophy.

He did also still prove himself again 2 years later on omen (one of the harder smokes) and kay0 (one of the hardest agents in pro play) the second he actually got a half decent team around him. So I’d definitely put him top 10 but definitely not top 5.

Definitely. He’s undeniably a top 10 player OAT.

He’s unfortunately fallen off recently (outside of Toronto). From 2023-late 2024 he was prx’s best player.

I personally have Leo, Alfa, derke, Aspas, less, and chronicle over him all time. There’s decent arguments for mako and nats too.

I think he’s overrated more so because of his stats at Reykjavik despite people not putting those stats in context and because he’s extremely popular. He’s also extremely overhated by a different group of valorant fans, and extremely overrated by another group.

He’s definitely top 10, but his peak was in the least impressive era of valorant. That definitely brings down his overall performance.

Look, I understand he’s popular but, tenz is objectively a maximum top 10 player oat. His team might have been shit, but his inability to consistently perform or play in intl tourneys for 2 years absolutely matter, especially if you hold it against Alfa/leo/nats/chronicle/yay/even Aspas at Toronto.

Also, tenz is THE FOURTH best player of 2021. Chronicle and nats were better than him for obvious reasons, but so is CNed. Tenz peaked at Reykjavik, the least important event of the year. His Berlin performance wasn’t actually great either, he just farmed f4q, boosting his stats tremendously and struggled at champs. Cned was better than him at both champion and masters Berlin > Reykjavik.

He was also max top 10 in 2024; Zekken, meteor, texture, Aspas, Leo, arguably derke and Karon, KK and Chichoo are all arguably better than him that year.

You can’t be top 5 oat if you were top 4 in the first year of vct, then disappeared for 2 years and then were top 10.

Do you ever get tired of being so negative about everyone but primmie all the time? It must get exhausting

Idk about his yoru. His Jett is probably the best itw, his raze is also s-a tier, his neon is low a-b tier, and I’ve heard he hates yoru

He’s a very good raze too, but his fragging is insane in Jett so he’s prolly deliberately trying to one trick her

Solo harbor Reyna neon
This is what we call a “I’m fucking better I’ll lock whatever the fuck I want” typa comp
Don’t try too hard to make sense of it 😂

I’ve heard anything about 2000hz causes a bunch of issues

After one bad tournament is insane

Also if you play anchor the rotates from site to site are sooooooooooooooo long

Demon1 had a 1.47 kd in champs 2023 vs prime loud and almost prime prx, pretty bad fall off

It has to be yay though, the only one player to ever clearly prove himself as the best player of an entire year and then started going 6-19 v global fucking esports

Breeze is my best map by kd and one of the best by winrate and I absolutely fucking hate it
Defense breeze got to be the most boring shit ever

Just me that really enjoys this map? If ur senti/viper you can aggro b or mid on defense, duelist can play aggro mid and a, rushing a on attack is fun as well. Honestly, only playing init sucks on this map

The overshooting will always happen with new mousepads imo
I like to play tasks like six shot or any kind of precision flicking tasks in aim trainers to get more comfortable. It’s simply gonna take time to adjust but once you get used to ur new mouse and mousepad you’ll realize how much you were missing out on before

So technically edpi is the only thing that matters (0.5 400 dpi and 0.25 800 dpi are the same for an example). However, in reality I believe your actually best on the mouse dpi that u are used to using, so if you want to change ur sensitivity stick to 1600 dpi and change ur in game sens

Profek supremacy I believe 🤞

Th fnc vit kc?

Or bbl maybe instead of vit since they nearly actually made it

I think virty is mid so this would be fire. I think it will happen next year unless sato signed for 2 years

Your pads way smoother and your mouse is lighter, which is why it feels hard to control. DONT change ur mouse dpi (even with same edpi it actually feels different). I’d recommend just grinding dms and aim trainers to get used to the new feel. Precision Flick related aim labs tasks might help you as well.

I meant karmine corp autocorrect made it way funnier tho

I NEEED them to make champs low key
With avez back in form they looked good in ewc qualifier, hopefully carries over to stage 2

KC in Paris would boost viewership and hype much + Suygetsu and saadhak on lan again 😭

Don’t take him too seriously, he’s so good at baiting he doesn’t even realize when he is sometimes

Bro poured his soul out and got his shit yoinked for vlr upvotes