It doesn’t matter. Regardless of whether it’s a champs or masters, what winning it means is that for a period of time until the next even, you are the best team itw. Champs might be harder to win, but two masters means you were the best team itw for a longer period of time than one champs.
Two masters will always be more impressive than one champs.

Pretty valid argument. I’d assume you wouldn’t have sen very high all time for this reason?

I’d take 2 masters over a champion especially since no team has won a champs and a masters
Sen has one trophy from the Stone Age and fnc has lock-in, which is prolly slightly less impressive than any of the masters that came after it

Are they best team OAT? They would have less podium finishes than sen loud or fnc, but their 2 trophies are more impressive than sen louds or fnc. Or would they need a few more podium finishes first?

Keeps changing roles maybe?
He’s also just consistently declining for 2 years now sadly

WE yes WE all need this in our life

Geng are the clear front runners and there’s some first match jitters still
I’d favor fnc over most remaining teams in the tourney still

Lysoar doesn’t know what he’s doing so geng certainly won’t
Incoming masterclass

Also make sure that geng cannot buy sherrifs and ghosts on pistol

4 rounds every map and economic momentum is extremely powerful

Relax brotha it’s the first round of playoffs

It’s very annoying
They should have nuked Tejo after Bangkok

What evidence is there of this btw? Does that mean for 4 years pacific was just fucking around

wtf happened to us bro we are getting owned by the 3rd place Chinese team and 2nd and 3rd place pacific teams
Americas hasnt won in a year and a half and Europe hasn’t won it in 2 years
Legitimately could have prx and geng both in top 3

I want to see another Chinese lan, the Shanghai crowd was so loud

I will be rooting for wolves this Cinderella ass run about to put EG 23 to shame

In what way? Boaster is more consistent, more accomplished, and a better fragger

I meant the 2024 roster, but didn’t saadhak and sacy scout the team together? Considering they were already teammates on vk. Idk much about how pancada and friends was conceived

Imagine if they’d gotten sato, cauanzin, pancada, luxko, saadhak

It’s just sad he left. I feel like the mibr and loud projects where more promising than the kc one given that avez wasn’t proven and elite and marteen looked kind of inconsistent

He’s played for br teams his whole life, speaks fluent Portuguese and I think is married to a Brazilian
Brazilian talent is also what made him relevant in both paladins and valorant

Been washed for a while brotha

Kinda cucked Brazil no?
Loud fell apart without him, if he’s gone to mibr they woulda been bonkers as well
Kinda sad low key, Brazil has Aimers but few callers so him leaving really hurts

He was still consistent throughout, but really shone during champs
Comparing his stats to chron is a bit misleading because he faced harder and beat better competition at champs and Shanghai and Madrid (which fnc missed)

Texture Karon and munchkin are pistol specialists, they always good for 1-2

After 1 map (his worst map of the tourney) is s tier dickriding tbh

He had a prettt shaky start to the year no? And was mid in stage 1 + Shanghai. Not top 10 over Zekken, tenz, Leo, riens, kk, chichoo, Aspas, Derke, texture, or meteor.

Sacy is both less accomplished and individually a worse player than chronicle

He’s not the goat, just the most accomplished player
Prolly top 5 all time tho

Yeah don’t let him comm either with his freaky ass

Historically havent first seeds always played worse/have a lower tourney win percentage?

Should riot just do away with first seeds? Maybe make them have a first round bye in group stage instead?

Put that boy on duelist and let him cook

Should changed before stage 1 then. Tejo was picked a lot in Bangkok

If you ignore trophies and look only at individual skill, the only potential candidates are Leo and derke.

Imo, after every lan the meta should change. This means each split (regional split + the associated international event that the regional split qualifies you for) is all one meta. The team that is the best in that meta should dominate regionally and internationally. After each lan you then change the meta. This is what makes the most sense for me.

Sen was NA’s best team before Tejo (think champs)
Geng was apac overall best team before tejo
Edg would likely be here without tejo

Therefore changing it after the qualification stage for the intl event is kinda annoying, means that the best teams at the meta for the lan event might not be the ones that made it through the qual stage.

If rito changes the meta every single time before a masters, then the exact order of the region top 3 is rarely ever accurate
I doubt g2 would have beaten 100t and EG without tejo (despite being better than them)
This is why the first seeds struggle; they are the best team of their region in the previous meta, not the current one.

I think rito should instead change after each intl event. That way the teams that play well would be the best in the current meta.

They’d almost certainly win lock-in and Americas league, and have a decent chance at winning champs too considering how close the EG match was and how prx loves to throw in finals.

I’d have leaf over valyn if you compare their careers on c9 v guard

Loud 2022 might be the BEST team OAT but fnatic have two lan wins and a similar overall number of deep tournament runs
Imo greatest =\ best

Crazy the shit he was doing
I’d also say champs yay, Americas League Aspas, and Berlin/champs cned

Would most people consider fnatic as the greatest team OAT still? Curious to see whether people’s opinions has changed
Who would be second? Sen or Loud?

1.16 (3 map banger, has two good maps and one slow map where geng gets stomped)

Sayf was fantastic on guild in 2022, tl in 2023, and vitality in 2024
It’s only this year he’s been shit

On yukky’s soul this game ends in a 2-0

We need a raze buff. The other duelists all seem pretty good.

Plays of their duos of aces (miniboo and woot) and (Aspas and Cortezia) is insane riens and verno erasure tbh

Isn’t prx 0-3 to sen?

The defense side on split especially was poor. G2 played very passive on the mains and heavy retake setups but without Tejo their retakes didn’t feel so effective. Prx basically got to get map control and site execs for free.