Are they best team OAT? They would have less podium finishes than sen loud or fnc, but their 2 trophies are more impressive than sen louds or fnc. Or would they need a few more podium finishes first?
If geng wins Toronto
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I’d take 2 masters over a champion especially since no team has won a champs and a masters
Sen has one trophy from the Stone Age and fnc has lock-in, which is prolly slightly less impressive than any of the masters that came after it
i dont think anyone actually rates lockin+tokyo or iceland+madrid over champs 22 or champs 23
substantially harder to win end of year events
It doesn’t matter. Regardless of whether it’s a champs or masters, what winning it means is that for a period of time until the next even, you are the best team itw. Champs might be harder to win, but two masters means you were the best team itw for a longer period of time than one champs.
Two masters will always be more impressive than one champs.
they were the best team itw for longer, but the teams that they were better than were literally brand new lol
on an even playing field like champs fnatic isnt top 3
you can send champs LOUD to lock in and they'd demolish fnatic, its just the fact that they were rookies
They were also a brand new team. I don’t get this argument. There are one too many teams that win a singular event and fall off, that makes two events in a row extremely impressive Imo
they had 2 months more to practice and were established players loud were rookies lol
fnatic had their roster very shortly after champs 22 (september) ended where loud didnt even finalize trials until mid november
They need champs. They would be the best core oat if they win champs. Not best team tho tbh cause the roaster is quite different compared to the Shanghai one.
its 2 different teams. id still say its fnatic 2023 unless geng also wins champs this year
Pretty valid argument. I’d assume you wouldn’t have sen very high all time for this reason?
if they win toronto i think it puts them in the debate favoured heavily. But i personally wouldnt put them 100% GOAT status until they win a third or come top 3 in a few internationals
Tbh this geng is also a very different team compared to the last year one. So I think they need champs too to be considered best team oat.
I still got fnc as the best core/team, their trophies by themselves might be worth less compraed to geng if they do win toronto, but the fact that they won both of them in a row makes it a lot more impressive
It’s only one champs where they came top 4 right? The roster that came second at Iceland and 4th at Copenhagen was a very different team
also FNATIC"s consistency since 2021 (11/14 international tournaments attended, 10 Top 8s Internationally, 5 Top 4s Internationally, 3 Top 2s, 2 Top 1s)
What do you mean? FNC won lock in which was the biggest and hardest to win tournament ever.
I think so, 2 masters plus a masters final is better than any other team. Fnatic got 2 masters wins but no other final and Loud got a champs and got to 2 masters finals, but didnt win so i guess it would be Geng if they win
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