Wardell on some clown hours on stream ngl.

The way I see the two situation, VK played the "I didn't know card", which could be possible. We dont know if they know or not. I dont believe they didn't know about it. from two previous teams being punished for the cam, I find it ridiculous that they didn't know of it. However can't prove that.

a Coach talking mid match to his team, especially a coach (can't remember if they said it was stunner, or dd8. So assuming dd8 typed), who has experience in other large orgs, where these rules are common. Even if he wasn't a coach during CS, he still worked with management.

Both sides should have been punished. One is easier to prove from riots stand point on the intention, than the other. VK deserved to lose the map/match, and T1 deserved to lose their match.
Just sucks that we dont know how long it's been going on. assuming it's been going on a while, will only the coach get punished, or the players who allowed and benefited off the coach talking mid game?

that was dogshit from Wardell. However TSM was getting large amounts of hate on here during the tech pause before T1 got DQ'd.

I just find it hilarious that when VK used a glitched cam, these forums were calling them cheaters. T1 literally cheat, and people are mad at TSM for crying on twitter.

Consistency on this forum is top tier good shit for content.

T1 coach cheated (typed in all chat by accident apparently saying "help sewers" during a match.
Subroza tweeted about it
T1 got dq'd from the qualifiers
TSM bad guys

Losing RR I think should only be a thing mid game. In agent select, nah. Mid game, RR loss I'm fine with.

Not sure how to do the replying format you did, so I'll go with 1-3

1) - This I dont agree with. If you're going afk, or have to go. Just tell your teammates, or alt f4. That's negligance on the players behalf, not any of the ingame systems.

2) - I do agree that toxic teammates can be a reason to dodge. It's a garbage situation, I'm just not a huge fan of dodging. I do agree that some people have the right to dodge if they want. I personally dont, it tilts me off the face of the earth when I get a game with toxic teammates, however I made the commitment to queue a comp match, and due to my personality I'll do my best to stick through it

3) - If people dodge on purpose after queueing into a match, I do believe they shouldn't be able to abuse it. I'm not against a decrease in penalty, I just think 2-3 times a day is too often.
In my opinion, dodging should result in a 1hour comp suspension, max.
I find it dumb that people get consecutive days because they dodge. An hour should be tops for dodging. In that time you can play an unrated, or deathmatch. Whatever you like. I just dislike a 2-3 time a day free from punishment.
The reason I'm fine with others dodging maps and not myself, is due to how I see things. When I queue into a match I'm commiting to upwards of an hour in the match. If I get a garbage map, that's a risk I took and knew of before I queued.
It's the same shit when I order something new from a restaurant that I've never had. Even if I dont really like it, I'll eat the fucker because I took the risk. It's just what my personality is like. I take the risks of my decision and go with it. Some people are fine with dodging, I personally dont do it, and dont condemn people who do. I just dont think it should go unpunished on a daily reset.

A fix to some of the afk moments, etc. Have a accept like in CS. If my friend queue and I have to answer the door, I can't hit Accept, so it's back to queueing.

tldr with what I'd do - I'd say 1 free dodge a day, then after that 30min comp ban, to 1hour comp ban MAX. Anything high I honestly think is really stupid.

Wasnt one of the reasons VK got to replay the map, was because they said Jhow didn't know it was a bug?
Kinda hard to feign ignorance when you're a coach typing in a match. Sucks T1 got dq'd, as they were looking great. Was looking forward to a Steel revenge tour. Dude diffed Wardell on split by far.

it's just nothing would really change from the current system. IF someone instalocks the character you play, what do you do now? do you fill or dodge?
What would change from now, to then?

1- accidental queue is shit. i've done it before, and I just played the match out. Some people dodge, personally it's just a bit inconvienient.
2 - You can get toxic teammates in unrated, spike rush, etc. dodging because someone is toxic is also subjective to each person. Not saying being toxic is fine. It's just not a reason to dodge.
3 - this take I hate. You queue into ranked knowing that all maps are in the playlist. you're aware of it, and queue knowing it. I despise split and fracture, but if I get it I hope someone else dodges.
We'll always have map dodgers until a map selection is in, like CS.

role queues can be bad. I dont personally know a system that would be great to work with. Cascading I dont think will work. the only difference in what would change compared to now, is player 5 would be made to play smokes majority of the time. In ranked atm it's pretty much 4 people lock who they want and the 5th has a role to choose that's mostly smokes, from my experience.

the vuzy bit, I haven't seen. If you want alink or anything, I'd appreciate it as I'd like to see what a better system could be.

fuck dodging. If you dodge a ranked ban, no comp for the day. Let people dodge unrated, spike rush, etc. HOwever that system wont work as there's things people can't control (network issues, etc)

I dont mind playing smokes, or sentinel. However I mostly play chamber over other agents. However the cascading system will make people dodge way more often. nothing like loading in as player5, and the other 4 dont pick a smoke, and you dont know how to smoke.

From there you'd either get flamed for not being a good smoke, or you dodge because you dont find it fun.

Rather have a role queue than cascading system. Makes more sense.

"If you only play duelist or hate playing anything else… go play halo or cod. We don’t want you here."

How do you stop players 1-2 going duelist, then 3 going flex.
Player 4/5 have to go smokes, or sentinel.

It's a system that works in League/dota. In val, it wont work. Rather a role queue or a team browser similar to overwatch would be prefered than this. Cascading is a bandaid that will most likely increase dodging when someone loads as player5, and sees everyone else pick shit other than smokes.

Been so long since I've seen TSM play, that the viewers still surprise me LUL

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Actually had fun having a discussion with you ngl

With shroud, ye fair enough. Not much else we can talk about regarding him tbh

With NA, there will always be people who swapped over who could have had a decent future on CS. A few players never hit their potential on the game (s0m, wardell, TenZ ironically, SicK). They're all young enough, or were young enough that we never saw their peak in CS. It's a shame we most likely never will.
Everything else you said I agree with.

With the "kid" viewership, it's the same CS had during 1.6, or even GO days. Majoirty of CS fans towards the end of 1.6, and start of GO. Were all my age. I'm currently 25, and was 16 when csgo first came out, and all the fans were either the old CSS, or 1.6 fans. The new wave of fans were my age. It's just how things go. New generations come join the viewership, and grow with the game. Nothing changed from the start of val, from the start of league, or csgo.
Only difference between CS and Val, is Val seems more approachable by actual kids, where as CS was always targeted at teens.
the reason I'm more hopeful with Val than Fortnite, or other trend games (amoungus, fallguys, etc). Is primarily because of the company behind it. Riot have kept league as a trending game for the greater part of a decade. I'd be surprised if they can't keep it up. Even with their two new games coming out (mmo, and fighting game).

EG did have a rough past year or so. Especially Cerq. From his original performance, to what we see now. Night and day.
with tariks viewership, it's the same cringe as most other viewers. Not as bad as say shahzams, or TenZ viewers, bnut that's from my experience in seeing them. However that's just how things happen. New environment, new audience, etc. I tend to ignore twitch chat 90% of the time, be it on official streams, or content creators. Rather watch the gameplay which is what I find entertaining.

Just gonna break it up into paragraphs for each paragraph to respond.

1) Shroud was a pub god. the guy in comp was average, but when he went into pub matches, he would make a highlight every match multiple times. However, what people forget. Most pros can do this, but they just wernt as marketed as shroud was back in the glory days of him being posted on the reddit page every day.

I think it was a few weeks ago. Saw a few val players just chilling and going back to cs for a bit, just chilling in fpl and faceit. Could still clearly see how good they were compared to the other people. Again, it's similar to shroud in pubs. They still have the experience of 5/10/15k hours in the game, and it does show.

2) The reason NA cs "died" after val came out, isn't that players swapped. It's that no large org was investing in the scene. People didn't leave the scene because they wernt signed to top tier orgs. They left because valve left them in shambled after covid hit. Orgs pulled out, events stopped, and no money was being pumped around. Then val came along and took what potential prospects the scene had. Which imo were players that cold compete at higher levels (Xeppa, Leaf, s0m, wardell, etc). They were all young enough and huge potential prospects from the scene.
I will agree that the scene isn't dead. It's rebuilding, much like you said. the scene will rebuild it self. It's just at the point if newer players will go to CS to try to make a future, or to valorant.

3) with val being a trend game. I see it started as a trend, but getting more cemented in what it is. Even fortnite right now gets good viewership. Not what it was, but far more stable than other games. Val I can see being on the same track. Getting a table viewership, much like how league does.
Cs is by far a titan in esports with viewership, but other than that. It was never a competing game on twitch for content creators. On youtube, it's a different story. CS is just a really odd game for things such as streaming, etc. This might be because I wasn't there in it's peak for content creation. Just the past couple years I've been watching cs streams. It's always low until a large streamer carries the catagory, be it gAuLeS, s1mple, etc.

4) Tarik, I watch him here and there just because I find him funny. I tend to watch streams with the chat sidebarred so I dont see the random shit. him on val, or on cs. I feel he can compete on either. Dude was nuts on CS (unfortunate last few months on EG), and is by far insane on val(in terms of ranked, so hard to gauge where he is at). I'm not sure if he'll go back to competing. if he does, idm which game. Just thought he was insane.

5) I wish they added more mechanics. sitting in my ranked lobbies, I see people who are imm2/3 with god awful movement, but decent aim.
Just wish bhopping was a thing and counter strafing. I'd love more mechanics that involve jumping. Still love playing Cs and just making my way through mirage on mid window to short in the span of a couple jumps. I've failed it thousands of times, and succeeded with it. nothing in val gets that, unless I sit there using raze satchels to get around the map. they're the most fun I've had with movement that i've ever had on val.

I've watched shroud on and off the past few years. Dude was boring as fuck before he came back to mixer. However from what I remember, his opinion on Cs was;

Harder to be good at, more punishable, etc.
Easy for the people who have 15k hours in the game, at a pub level. So outside of comp, you can clearly see the difference in 5k hours, compared to 15. Even the last time he went on CS, he was still stomping people. When old Cs players go back to mess around, they're still stomping people who actively play the game.

that's what my interpretation of his opinions were.

Other than that, I dont really watch him that much. dude has a personality of a plank. Always prefered Tarik over him in terms of gameplay and content. Same with s0m, although I only learned of s0m from Val, as I wasn't huge on NA CS, and only followed EU.

randomness, I feel is also highlighted by the boom in Valorant on streaming websites, on social media, and youtube. If CS had the amount of content that content creators are putting out, we'd see the same shit.

I have had more random shit happen in val, than Cs. I wont even deny that. However i've had more jumping awp deaths in Cs than on val. Just I've ran into so many running riflers in val that it gets tilting after awhile. There seems to be such a little punishment for running and gunning. The phantom, I can somewhat get. It has a similar running shooting inaccuracy that cs has with the m4.
I haven't tested the ak and vandal yet. Only did the m4, which was pretty similar.

I know Cs is less random than Val. more methodical than Val. The randomness I feel is just more accessible to see. I will agree that with Val, it is too normalised to run and gun with a vandal, or phantom. It will always be like that until proper punishments for running while shooting are in. It's also annoying that there's next to 0 counterstrafing required in Val. Just let go of your keys for 0.1s and you're sorted.

Just wish Val made counterstrafing and bhopping something, so people have some other mechanics that can futher increase the skill ceiling of the game.

Yeah, this has gone on for so long lol. I always end up making threads far much longer than they need to be xD

Flags look the same to me, but I might be lost as fuck lol

The dumbed down aspects, I dislike, but dont mind. I get frustrated when I die to someone mid jump with an AK, or phantom. It's unfortunate, somewhat tilting. In the end, I've ran into more bullshit on games like cs, where I've been mid jump no scoped from T spawn while I was jumping across a smoked double doors on dust2. Shit happens. In mid to lower elo, the skill ceiling doesn't matter. My issue with the skill ceiling, is at the top level.

You're right with Cs being more punishing. It's why I always enjoyed the comp side of Cs, but never the fpl/pug streams from pro players. Same reason why I couldn't watch shroud that much, until he came back from mixer(before mixer he had the personality of a snail, but great gameplay), and somehow gained a personality because he can just play whatever he wants not.
Watching pubs and playing pubs in a game where you dont 16-3 or 16-8 opponents while dropping 30-40, is honestly a lot more fun. In comp, go for the stomps. I'm more than happy with a 13-0 in an event, compared to a 13-10 or 13-11. That shit wears you down if you're playing consecutive matches in one day.
Pubs, fuck 13-0s. that shit makes me bored out of my mind if every match i'm winning, is a 13-4, 13-5, etc. It's fun in the beginning, but if it lasts weeks. I tend to just get bored and go onto the next subject. It happened to me on console, over and over. Went from CoD, to tlou, to uncharted, to killzone, to gears of war, halo, etc.
It's why I wish I tried to get into the comp side of either of those games, as what drives me is playing against better people and seeing where I could improve from my mistakes.

It's why I enjoy tac fps games after coming to pc. There are people who've spent tens of thousands of hours in the genre, and I find it so much fun to play against better people. Shit drives me to improve, and I love it. playing against people I know I'm better than, shit is just demotivating.

I think with shroud, and s0ms opinion. It's more from a streamer perspective, and playing pubs. From competing in other games, and in sports irl. PUB matches I feel should be more fun, than one way stomps.
For the comp side, I'll still take CS over val. imo CS is a ar better game when it comes to the top percentile of the game scene. Val is just more fun to mess around in.
I do dislike how the dumbed down a lot of aspects compared to CS. However, it is what it is. I enjoy val more right now in terms of playing, than cs.

but yeah, s0m and shroud both know they're better than 99.9% of players in the game, they just said CS was easier, as you can easily outshine good players, due to the skill ceiling. going 12-12 against some fortnite kids in a ranked match, just makes things a bit more interesting. We've also seen in comp, that it's a whole different monster, given performances and how they play.
Ranked I feel is better to play/watch in val than CS. comp is cs over val.

With 5 stacking, I agree. I'd prefer 3 stack, and 2 stack. No soloQ, or a soloQ playlist. The beginning of the act, I had themost fun I've had in over a year. PLayed 3 stack with two friends, for around 7 matches. Then got to d3 and had to duo to imm, which was pretty meh.
Wish I could 3/5 stack again, whilst not spending an hour for 3rr.

With the s0m thing, he said he enjoyed it because it's not a 1 way stomp. Some people get bored of constant stomps, and grow tired of MM. However that's a person on person basis.

With the s0m thing, it's the same with what shroud said before. He said CS is easy when playing it, but Val is harder. The higher the skill ceiling, the larger the gap you'll have with the pro players, from normal in MM. It's probably the only reason I like val MM, is the skill ceiling isn't crazy high, and shit can get chaotic (I find it really bored if I go on a constant streak of stomping on people without struggling. I vibe with close and long matches).

competitively, I want a high skill ceiling. However you can't really have the two. Can either have high ceiling, or low. We have low, which both sucks, but makes PUB games a bit more enjoyable for me.

Personally I think he'd be in the top10, but I dont think he'd be the equivalent of how good he is in CS. I feel the skill ceiling in valorant will limit him, more than anything. In CS he's the best, at that high skill ceiling. In val the ceiling is lower, so it could help others get there.

Think it was s0m who said on stream a few weeks ago, or a month or so. He mentioned how Val is a lot more fun than cs, because everyone is demons because of the skill ceiling. Where as in CS he'd stomp people convincingly.
Albeit it was regarding ranked, but the point still stands regarding skill ceilings.

I could be wrong, we'll never know. Dont think s1mple would ever leave cs. He's the best at the game, and has been consistantly for the past 6 years or so. Zywoo is right there with him, contesting him for the No.1 spot. Just dont think either would be No.1 in Val. top 10/5, yeah. best, nope.

They could still be scrimming is the point. No team scrims for insane amount of time. You act like the team sentinels lost to are nobodies.
Liquid being one of the best teams in EU, and KRU. Then again, KRU were apparently a fluke in this event for some reason, despite showing that they can compete with the best.
They lost two games, at the highest skill ceiling tournament in the world. There were upsets everywhere in that event, so why are we acting like KRU is some T3 team who just got lucky beating some of the worlds best teams.
Was Sentinels run in iceland lucky, or was it them outclassing everyone? Did gambit just get lucky in Berlin masters and have a fluke, then having the easiest bracket run through champs? No. They deserved their spot, and played to keep it. They were also 1 round away from being kicked up by KRU. So if Gambit is EMEA's 2nd best team, KRU managed to fight toe and toe against them. At least give the team the respect they deserved from that showing.

Even their streams now tend to follow the same time pattern.
Shahz - 9-10pm start
zombs - 3-4am start
tenz - 4am
sick - 6-7pm
dapr - 4pm on saturday, then 5-7pm with a 7am start

their streaming times even now aren't that different from before. So we dont know when they prac. Shahzam for all we know could scrim 6 hours, then stream for 11. We dont know what he does when he's not streaming.

We also can't make assumptions regarding it. If they do make the same mistakes, and it becomes a habit, then something will change. Until then, it's not proven to be a direct cause to the teams decline in performance. Hell, their performance at champs was perfectly fine. Both matches they lost were 13-11 13-11 13-10 14-12. Those were the maps they lost in their two loss matches.
It's the same with fnatic at iceland. they may have lost to Sen 3-0, but each map was neck to neck and could have swung either way.
Acting like sen fell from being No.1 straight to t3 just because of two losses, is asinine. Teams have bad events, it happens. Sen didn't deserve to go through groups, KRU and Liquid did. That's all there is to it.

I'll admit I misinterpreted your point about the seedings and fnatic being the easier group. That's my bad, you were right with that one, I was wrong.

Here's the teams stream stats of november until 6th december where they were kicked out of champs.

Zombs: 5 days : 17.2 hours
TenZ: 10 days : 36.6 hours
Dapr: 8 days : 22.8 hours
SicK: 8 days : 31.6
Shahzam: 27 days : 166.2 hours

In terms of times - time period 01/11/2021 - 06/12/2021 - 5 weeks
Week1
4/5 of them had streams started at 01:00am for UTC time zone. Shahzam is the only one who started around 10pm UTC

Week 2:
Shahzam earlier is 8pm, the rest around 10pm - 1am
Tenz, Dapr, zombs all 1-2am starts
Sick - 4-6pm starts

Week 3:
Shahz - 4am, 9pm starts
Sick, dapr, zombs didn't stream
Tenz - 4am

Week 4: Week of going to EU - the 2pm was an off day as they were playing ranked, even against other pro teams at the time.
TenZ - 2pm, 4pm, 4am
Shahz - 2pm, then 6-10pm starts
Dapr - 2pm , and 8pm stars
Sick - didn't stream

Week 5 - Week of event
Shahz - 8pm+ starts
Dapr - 11pm + starts
Tenz, zombs, sick didnt stream

*sources
https://twitchtracker.com/shahzam/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/sick_cs/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/tenz/streams#duration
https://twitchtracker.com/dapr/streams
https://twitchtracker.com/zombs/streams

That's a rundown of stream starting times, in UTC time(website wont let me change to NA timezones :/ unlucko)

So even by that, their streams tend to overlap more often than not. that's their streams leading upto the biggest event. I will admit that shahz streams far more than his teammates. However it also shows that there are times where they have enough time to scrim, as they're all off stream at a similar time period.

This is what I mean by proof. Find factual statistics to back up your claim that they dont scrim, or practice. I'm fine with people shit talking teams, at least back up your points and admit if you're wrong. If I fuck up somewhere, I admit to it. If I try to make a point, I'd try to research my point to make sure I can back up what I say.

If the forum system was a bit better, I could have layed out the whole time slot thing a lot easier to read, and easier to present.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT OFFTIME IS.
Do football players keep going to daily and weekly practice during off season, instead of going on holiday or relaxing for a few weeks? At school did we study in summer holidays, or do teachers not have holidays between academic years?

Why does asuna stream every other day. why does s0m stream, why did mixwell, nukkye, nats, all stream for the past month.

Because it's off time between events bro. Their next even starts in 3 weeks. Teams dont scrim 365days of the year. They have a break between events to unwind. It's common in every esport. It's why Astralis pick and chose what events to go to. It's why NAVI skipped an event last year. To have a break from constantly playing a game.

I got a question. Do you honestly believe that fnatic at champions, was worse than x10, secret, and cloud9? You mention how they were 2nd seed from groups, while fnatic was 1st seed, winning their group stage. So how do you rate a team that won LB groups, over one that won UB groups?

The point with knowing their schedule. We dont know how many hours they're scrimming. If shahzam streams 11hours, that's 13 hours left in the day. Take way 6-8, you have 5-7 hours spare. Take away another hour for eatting, shower, etc. That's 4-6hours.

We dont know what they do with the rest of their day. We dont know what their whole daily plan is.
We dont know if he scrims for 5 hours in the morning, then goes and streams, then sleeps. We dont know each players lives.

You say his whole team is streaming while he's not on. Show me stats of them streaming when he's not during november, and december.
his team on average streams like 2 hours a day, while he's on 6. That's an average over the past 3 months.

you also diminish what KRU achieved, despite nearly knocking out gambit, going to 5x OT against them on final map.

you're saying shahzam isn't practicing, but not showing proof bro.

the past month after champs is downtime for nearly every single team. It's most likely like that until a week or two before they start challangers.
It's why SicK, who barely streamed throughout november and december started streaming. If they're having a short break before their main even they participate in.
Why dont you shit on nats for not winning champions, because he streamed 125hours the past 3 months.

because them streaming isn't as big of an influence as you think. If people in other games can stream every day, while keeping a dynasty team ongoing, being regarded as the best player in the game. Why do you think it's either one or the other?
I'm not even saying streaming has 0 influence on it. i'm saying it's not the main reason they lost.

Also saying KRU got the easiest team, and any other would kick them out. They lost 18-16 against gambit to go to the finals. They hard arguable the hardest group, and defied odds to go to main stage.
They also didn't even have the easiest team in QF. Fnatic beat c9, who were in qf, you still had secret, and xcrit. All fantastic teams, but not really considered better than Fnatic at the time.

The reason I mention about the him not pracicing, is because WE DONT KNOW WHAT THEIR SCHEDULE IS. They could scrim at 3am for all we know. We're not a part of the team, so we dont know what's going on inside it. That's what I'm trying to get through to you.
Everything we're saying is assumptions, with 0 facts. Even what I'm saying is assumptions. I'm assuming they're practicing when they're not streaming(not in downtime inbetween events), and you're assuming they never practice at all, even during events.

We dont know the inner working of their teams. They could scrim 9am-2pm for all we know. Shahzam tends to stream around 3pm PST, so they could scrim before that. I dont know. i'm not their manager, and neither are you.

People saying the only reason they lost is because they stream, is just clueless. the better team won. Them streaming 10hours wasn't an issue when they won iceland, so why is it an issue now. they lost 2 games at the largest event of the year, against the best teams in the world. It's hardly a fall from grace.

How do you know that he doesn't care about strats, or teamwork?

They lost two games, to two teams who went to semi finals. Like what do you want from them, another flawless event?
they've lost 3 matches against teams from outside their region. that track record isn't as bad as you think.

So instead of saying Liquid, or Kru were the better team at champions, you're going to find excuses on why they lost? they lost because Kru was better, and liquid was better. That's it.

We dont know what times Sen practice, we dont know what time they vod review. We're not part of their team, and shouldn't act like we have all the inside information regarding it. They know the reason why they lost, and they'll try to fix what mistakes the made. That's what professional teams do.

Like I'm genuinly curious. If shahzam played ranked as much as he does now, but off stream. Would you care?

also when he was in EU, he was streaming at like 1am, while some of his teammates were asleep.

yup, that's pretty much the tldr on the top 3 most hated tbh.

I'm not saiyng practice isn't needed, you clown.

I'm saying Shahzam streaming is by far not the reason they lost. Are you trying to say Kru only beat them because Shahzam was streaming, and not because they were a better team?

you're calling me stupid, but you dont understand simple sentences. You were saying Sen stream constantly and never practice. How do you know they dont practice? Because they stream in their downtime? forgot you're the manager bro, my bad.

My whole point of everything is, streaming isn't the reason they lost. People should honestly stop using it as an excuse. they lost to the better team, that's it.

Also shahzam was the only one who streamed more than 150 hours, but was the best on the team.

Also please show stats about anything you're saying. because clearly everything you say anecdotal, and moronic at best.

You use stream stats in off season to push a narrative that Sen dont scrim or practice. you say this without any stats, saying the stream after eachother, without any evidence for anything.
If you show me proof, I'll admit I'm wrong.

In regards to the wardell being inconsistent, no shot. Him being overrated, yes. Him being bad, nope.

I dont even think wardell is the best Jett, or in the top5. One thing I will say is he's by far not a bad Jett, and he is by far consistent on Jett.

Also please just use google translate on my messages. You thought I said practice isn't needed when my whole point is that streaming being the reason Sen lost, is an excuse, and they still pracc outside of streaming.
If they can get to champs and compete against other teams without scrimming. Then they're the most talented individuals on the planet across every esports.

cNed.

Only oper I can remember a team saying they actively head an op shot and went the other site instantly.

I didn't say he is the most consistent, good reading comprehension. Are you going to tell me that Wardell is inconsistent on Jett?

Valorant isn't that different from CS. Good habits from CS, transfered onto Val. It's why Cs pros have the edge right now. It's why the top players all have experience in tac fps games similar to cs and val.

When people ahve over 10-20k hours competing at a high level in a game with similar mechanics, they have good habits cemented into them. Bad habits mostly form on players who're still learning and growing.

On stream TenZ used to bunnyhop around trying to 1tap people. Can't remember seeing that at berlin, iceland, or champions. Odd.

I said one of the most consistant bro. Him having a 1.5kd over 4500 rounds, with one of the best fk/fd. Didn't say he's the best, but you can't deny his consistencies. he has his faults, he's not perfect on Jett. However you can't deny that he's consistent most of the time.

Also the point with ranked building bad habits. These aren't plat players spamming ranked all day. they know what they're doing. If you've ever competed at a decent level, you know how to differentiate and separate playing seriously and messing around. Bad habits are mostly formed by people who're still in the learning stage. Once you've been grinding for years after years, ranked doesn't build horrible habits. You've already got your habits from years of competing.

You want an example of someone who streams more than s1mple.
Go for BoltZ. high performing player, streamed over 200 hours the past 3 months.
Faker with over 100hours over the past 3 months
fnx with over 100 over the past 3 months.

you gonna say that faker and boltz aren't sitting in scrims enough? Faker one of the best league players of all time, and came 3-4th at worlds. Must have been the streaming why they lost. Not that the other team was better, it's just the streaming. all those bad habits.

Twitter I like because of the drama lol. I find the shit hilarious.
Reddit gets the highlights from twitter, but the comments with fans fighting against eachother is great to watch.

ngl I was refreshing twitter that night because it was hilarious to watch. Shit like that builds storylines, which the viewership and the interest that it brought to the kru sen match was insane.

The shahz thing, no hate towards him. Just not a huge fan of him because of his history on cs.

These aren't guys who would get bad habits from ranked bro. They have 10-20thousand hours in tac fps games, they already have their habits cemented in them. s1mple streaming fpl against t3 players. Must build bad habits bro. Beoulo on siege streaming for the past 5 years, built a lot of bad habits to being one of the best players in the game. Wardell streaming nearly every day or two yet still being one of the most consistant Jetts in this game, with one of the best FK/FD ratios.

ranked builds bad habits for people who're still learning and adjusting to the game. someone who already knows what they're doing, they know how to separate ranked and competitive. It's the same shit with people who played sports growing up, and did it at a higher level. I played rugby for my county in the UK, when I palyed it at school every week, did I get bad habits? nope. Because you separate the two from eachother.

Also with them not practicing at all. Show me streamstats during a qual stage. so oct-dec. i'd genuinly like to see if they had 1 of the five players streaming every hour of the day.

Here's some stats aswell. for the past 3 months, here's the average stream time for each of the players of sen.

sick - 2 hours a day 180 total hours
Shahzam - 6 hours a day 543 total hours
Tenz - 1.3 hours a day 118 total hours
Dapr - 0.93 hours a day 84.4 total horus
ZombZ - 0.93 hours a day 84.5 total hours

Those are averages over the past 90days, which includes a month of offtime.

So they're not constantly streaming either. Only person who has a constant stream, is shahzam. Which from his performance at Champions, as an igl. Was hardly the issue, considering he was their best performing player.

*edit - typo

I used to watch them a bit last year around may-august.
shahz has high energy, but avoided him because of the shit he did in CS.
Sick is chill and avoids drama as much as he can.
Dapr is just funny with half the shit he says with his gf and other people in game.
Zombs just trolls people and fucks around in ranked (the brazil shit was hilarious, but can see why people got tilted by that during champs).
tenz is just a generic nerd who likes games.

People just use them streaming as an excuse on their downfall, taking away from other teams. They fell from their form because the other teams were better. It's not because they stream any more or any less. Tenz streamed less on the way towards champs, and he still underperformed at times. Shahzam streamed more than anyone and performed the best on the team at the event.

11:00 - 17:00 work hours

17:30 - 23:30 steam 1
00:00 - 07:00 stream 2
07:30 - 10:30 stream 3

That was an example on how stream changes can still work alongside work hours.

I also didn't say they're practicing with 4 people while a 5th is streaming.
I spoke about how shahzam tends to stream late at night, and into the early mornings. Tenz streams a couple hours in the evening, and sick usually streams in the mornings, and SicK tends to stream in the afternoon.

This is also during their downtime, which I can only assume. Just going back through his old videos, past 12 days or so ago he streamed like 6 or 7 times in 2 months, according to the recorded vods. That was during event time, where only shahzam was constantly streaming.

My point is, we dont know what their daily schedule is like during event time, and even on downtime where there's no events. We dont know how they adjust their stream times around their work schedule. People just assume that them losing against teams is because they stream more than others.

Also would you rather have someone who just going to pracc, then doesn't play the game outside of scrims? So pretty much fl0ppy when he was on C9. Rather someone play the game outside of pracc, than not.

nah bro.

he's part of sentinels, and streams too much. obv got an ego because he doesn't practice 12hours a day, everyday. /s

Like idek why people hate the sen guys besides zombs and shahzam. Dapr, Tenz, and SicK haven't done anything shitty to anyone. tenz has cringe fanboys, dapr tbags, and sick is just a chill guy.

So, if I work a 11-5 job. I stream at 17:30 - 23:30. Then my co worker streaming 00:00 - 07:00, goes to bed. Then another co worker does a morning stream from 07:30 - 10:30.

Then starts work at 11.

That's pretty much what they do, and what other pro players in other games did.
Pengu in siege did it during his dynasty on the game. He'd start streaming in the morning, get off for 6 hours while he scrimmed, etc. Then stream later on.

Just with sentinels, their sleep schedules are fucked besides a few. Shahzam streams when it's 12:00 in the UK, which is like 5am. Same with other streamers, like s0m(not sure if he's still on degen hours, but he used to be)

Just people tend to overestimate how much a team should be getting server time, and how much a team aren't.

calm down with the 13-16 bro. Shahzam streams the most out of all of them, and he's at like 7-12 hours. Sick is around 6-11hours, Tenz has streamed a handful of times in the past week, and they wernt too long.
No clue about zombs and dapr as I last remembered them not being huge and consistent on streaming.

Wonder what they're gonna be like at the end of the month when challenger quals start.

they can potentially attend lan. However they'll always be a dark horse as they've always relied on Wardells stopping power.

If the pickups of Corey and Rossy. I can see them being a contender for LAN events. Corey is nuts and has the mechanics to pop off. Rossy is a decent astra, and a dedicated IGL, which TSM never really had before.
They bounced between hazed and cutler to try to igl. Had the same issue G2 had in y1, where no real igl and they were just pug stomping.

So with the two pickups, they can contend top of NA. Would be interesting to watch then actually play in events, and potentially lan.

Then he should be punished.

Management who are hands on and close to the competing team should be punished.

Pipson should honestly know better than doing this. The guy has been in the esports scene for long enough to know what this entails.

If the manager was fully aware, and present during it. Then he should be punished. Players sanctioned, staff punished.

Anyone who was complicit with it should be punished. 2 year ban is a bit too much. DQing them from the event is perfectly fine imo.

bro, Carlos isn't the team manager. He doesn't sit in on every single match from all of his teams. Dude is managing a brand and company, not just one team. it's

The punishments that would most likely happen, are sanctions for the players, and Pipson getting fired. That's the most likely outcome if it's true he cheated.

You say no org in existance. Heroic did pretty much nothing with the hunden situation when it came out that the players knew about it

ALso the situation is scuffed. Pipson should be the main one being punished, and sanctions on the players. 2 year comp ban, no shot. First challanger event, yeah. DQ them from this main event, so they have to wait for next challengers.

also what the dude above was saying, is why would a team tell their CEO that they're cheating? Did f0rsaken tell optic he was gonna cheat on LAN? No. They'd try to hide it as much as they can.

The issue with Jett dash is she can shoot an op shot, dash away with little consequence.
Nobody is saying Jett is unkillable. Nobody is saying remove the dash either, so your reyna example is pointless.
What most people are saying, is have it so the Jett dash only dashes where you're facing. So you'd have to get your shot off, then flick around and dash. It increases the skill ceiling for the dash. Right now she can get a free peek with little consequence. Proof in action is looking at any of the top ACS stats and First kill vs first death stats.

Riot nerfed everything about Jett besides her dash. Did them nerfing her knifes, smokes change her pickrate? Nope. Why do opers pick Jett over other agents? Because her dash lets you take a shot and get to safety majority of the time.

This is also coming from a Jett main aswell. She's by far the most played agent i've played, a nd I can at least admit that she is by far not balanced.

Really?

I had a friend who was imm1 50rr last episode and got placed d1 after losing 4 games.

Another was immortal back at the start of last act, unranked for 2 episodes and got d1.

Just play chamber.

Dude just hits different.

Sadge for us

IMM 1/2 - D1

I believe if you hit Imm, you get d1 no matter what. Lost 3/5 games and still got d1 50rr

Like I dont play on 0 sound. I have my sound around 10-15, and music on 100%
Fully deaf DM just feels off for me. Gotta have some sound, even if I can't hear footsteps, or anything great. Even at 5% is fine for me. 0 I just find it offputting xD

It's why I liked CS dm where footsteps and enemy shots were muted, but my own wasn't.

My favourite is when he said NA would only get like 4 rounds against an EU.

The issue with Jett is her dash, and has always been the dash.

Riot just dont want to change the dash and want to try to nerf her pickrate by altering other shit.

It's the same shit Ubisoft did with Siege. They dont nerf the issue, they nerf around the issue hoping it will make an impact.

Why do you care so much about what others are doing?

I used to tilt a lot in DM because of stuff like angle holding, crouch spraying, oping, etc.

Then I just realised, why do I care so much about what others are doing. If I'm in there to warm up, I just do my thing. I'm not playing to win, I'm just trying to warm up a bit.
So I put some music on, and chill. DM means nothing in the end. Just ignore what others are doing, even if they're spamming an odin, or spectre. Just focus on yourself and your own gameplay.
After while you become numb to the people trying to win a DM so hard, just so they can go lose their gold3 rankup match.