Agreed

Seems like every new game that comes out is supposed to kill CS. They said the same way about Valorant. What I notice about NA is that people here tend to trend hop games. Play whatever is trendy or popular at the moment and move on when whatever new comes out. Saw this with pubg, apex, Fortnite, fall guys, among us, even Valorant ever.

If you don’t play it anymore it is “dead.”

Has a fanbase that will never die but for whatever reason people been saying the game has been dying since 2017. Weird world.

I agree though that CS isn’t going anywhere. I have played CS on and off since late 2016 and always find myself going back after long breaks.

You do realize CS Is massive in China though right?
And yes I know games like crossfire, pubg mobile, etc are massive. More popular than CS and league.

Csgo Is definitely more relevant than just the 3 areas you listed. I get league is more popular than CS esports wise. I think a lot of it has to do with the Asian scene as as well and they love their league. Especially the Koreans. League champions peaked at 4 mil on twitch right? Cs Peaked at 2.8 mil. Wouldn’t really call that 3x bigger but yes it’s still bigger.

Bro if we counted Chinese CS go viewers from the Major it goes from 2.7 million to 18 million. But no one counts it because no one knows how accurate it is.

No one should have been dropped after 5 matches.

Yeah but its still not harder though. but its just my opinion.

You said the game is harder at the pro level which is no where close to being true. Cs is at another tier of competition compared to Valorant.

Valorant harder at the pro level? If that were true then the current Valorant pros would be playing cs still since 95% of the pros came from t2/t3/t4 CS lol.

The only way Valorant becomes harder than CS is if CS never existed.

Valorant is just too dumb downed.

Valorant is just a dumbed down version of CS. Judging by your comment I can tell you never played or watched it.

Minecraft was good until they went past 1.8.
1.7 and every update prior >

NA Valorant in shambles

JasonR been weird ever since he went full time Valorant

NA Valorant in shambles

Valorant scene is literally in shambles. More just NA Valorant but holy. Can see how NA vs other regions handles their teams. Just like NA CS. It’s all drama. Expected overtime. 100T with tier s shit management as well. Joke of an organization.

Not what I’m talking about. Talking about how your “star” player is good for one map and disappears when needed. You forget what happened at Berlin and Masters? Tenz has always been good online matches.

Reminds me of Tenz

No crowd still
Snooze

Yeah he’s been off since the sand crash take out ever since Anaheim II. Pretty sure he’s hurt or something. Hoping Malcolm gets his first win this year.

VCT NA doesn’t interest me tbh

However if you wanna talk about the good stuff. Yeah I’m a big Supercross/motocross guy. Grew up playing mx vs atv and all those games. Reflex is a goated game. I like Tomac and Stewart for the 450s. Roczen as well but don’t know what’s been up with him. Craig is a beast and for the east I like Jett Lawerence and Forkner.

Miss the James Stewart Chad Reed rivalry battles man.

The best “women” players in Valorant are men.

Battlefront II on the ps2
Mx vs atv reflex
NHL and MLB games

People accused him of cheating because he had the same kind of flusha sketchy style clips from one event that took flusha a few years to get. Definitely a sketchy player but not entirely sure if he cheated. No one will know besides him.

Not saying he didn’t or didn’t cheat. But subroza had the same amount of flusha kind of clips in one tournament that took flusha a few years to get.

Definitely was a sketchy player at the start of his career.

I haven’t really been a big fan of wardell and subroza since the flashpoint situation. Don’t know if you entirely know the situation or not but long story short. Flashpoint paid their team to attend the lan event. Mid event Valorant came out and they stop focusing on cs mid tourney to play and focus on Valorant instead. I bring this up because it shows a big problem NA CS had. These same problems can be seen in NA Valorant. Players care more about their egos and reputations than focusing on winning. The fact he has a big twitch following just inflates the ego even more.

He makes some valid points.

It is a team game. Doesn’t matter if you individually perform well if you only play for yourself.

What UI we talking about

I've had fun discussing with you as well.

There were definitely some players with potential that switched that had potential to have successful careers. I think some of them gave up too soon. It's a shame but what can you do. I think the majority of val pros would rather play CS if they got paid too. I think one day they will come back. Hopefully Xeppaa does.

Yeah I started playing CS back in late 2016 early 2017 on and off. Being from NA, the lifestyle is very different compared to Europe. I didn't own a computer till I was 14 and I'm 20 now. I always played console growing up as most people do in NA because that is how it is here. Things like internet cafes don't exist here. I played minecraft on PC and was the only game I played. I played it from when it first came out till 2016. I would have probably never knew about CS if it weren't from the people I met on Minecraft that I became friends with. They showed me the game and I have enjoyed it on and off since.

Ironically enough, the two times when NA CS were at it's greatest points. I didn't pay attention or use my computer at all. I didn't know about C9 major win and Intel Grand Slam Liquid till a year later lol. I come back and they are really hit or miss now. The rebuild is looking good however so let's hope it goes well. CS needs NA in the long run. NA still brings good viewers and most the money and sponsorships come from NA.

Yeah the new viewer base is a shame but it is expected. It just sucks how cringe things can get. Let's hope EG retains form though. Cerq used to be a beast and still is. I just think they needed a change with stan. Brehze still a monster as well and I've know him for years. I hope they do well. They still have tons of potential.

More popular for streamers because it's more casual friendly and the game has a good following from kids especially the fortnite gen. Meaning easy viewers.

I think no in all categories. Only thing Valorant has on CS is the content creators. A lot of the fortnite gen kids play and watch Val especially Apex and League players as well. Valorant is the trend game in NA. Streamers will play what is trendy majority of the time.

First off, I would like to say you are one of the few people on this site where you can have an actual conversation with.

Kind of done with the shroud topic so I won't say much about it but my opinion of him hasn't changed. I get everyone has the right to their own opinion but the fact he changes his every two weeks just loses validation imo.

Regarding NA CS, one thing a lot of people tend to never bring up or forget is how the problems in NA CS were occurring way before Valorant and way before covid. NA CS had a problem with the players in the scene with players caring more about egos and reputation rather than putting their full focus on winning. Regardless if there were orgs or not in the scene, i think the players would have left either way. Why would you be a t2-t3 na cs player when you could have the opportunity to be a t1 player in val where you will obviously be better than the majority. There will plenty of orgs invested in NA but time after time players failed to produce so orgs left. Can't really blame them. The players in the scene were responsible for the downfall but the rebuild is good. Covid definitely didn't help with orgs investing or coming back because everything being based in Europe but hopefully when lans and events come back especially in NA. Things will be better.

The reason why I said valorant is the trend game, it is more specifically trendy in just NA. You look at the majority of the content creators who play it, they are all NA and it has a good kid viewership so it's just easy views atm. I know fortnite still has good viewership but it doesn't have the hype it once had. I remember my grade 12 year in 2019 EVERYONE was playing fortnite. Giving I do live in NA and the majority were playing on consoles but still. Everyone played it. NA has always been a region where people play games on what is currently trendy. No one plays games in the long run anymore. CS just doesn't have the content creators that it used to have. One thing that CS could do to have better viewership besides just the official matches is having more pros stream but no pros stream or it is very rare. Mainly because a lot of the big content creators who did play it were all on the verge of being semi pro like Tim and summit. I remember when xQC and DrDisrespect played CS. Good content to laugh. CS has a lot of good content on youtube like you mentioned.

Tarik is insane, he still has a lot of potential. He did say if he were going to go pro again it would be in CS however. I know he had a rough last couple months in the pro scene but everyone on EG did. Not the biggest fan of what Ethan did to the team but he cucked them hard and tarik was the glue and hype man on the team. When he left they lost that. Everyone on EG needed a change. I think stan is a good igl but had fragging issues and needed to go awhile ago. It's like he didn't want to be there. I wish tarik would stream cs more but val is easy content for him right now especially with kid viewers. His new viewer base though is quite cringe like we both said.

I agree with everything you said on #5.

It isn’t the most stable career unless you have consistent success which isn’t something that happens often. I see especially with Valorant (mainly in NA) that roster stability doesn’t exist. Seems like after every event a few NA teams make some changes.

Definitely a stressful career as well.

They are all kids lol

People think Valorant killed NA CS but I think Covid fucked it more than anything taking away all events and LANs and making everything Europe based due to Covid and online ping reasons.

There were problems in NA CS way before Valorant and the players in the scene were always the scenes worst enemy to begin with.

Don’t need new updates to change a playerbase lol. Matter of the fact is the NA region tends to play games on whatever is trendy at the current time. No one sticks with games long term anymore.

He streams at such degen hours tho and gets all the degen viewers late at night.

Love Tarik but can’t stand majority of his new viewer base though.

Yeah the cause NA Valorant is just easy content for him. He did say if he would ever go pro again it would be in CS tho

Shroud has always been a brick wall but the average person on twitch thinks shroud is a god so they watch him follow him etc. Those of us who have been around for awhile know what shroud is really like. Haven’t watched him since at least 2018. Don’t get how people watch Pokimane as well. Simp nation. Regarding what you said, i haven’t really seen any players who were former CS pros who go back and play CS who destroy kids. I remember watching subroza and brax play CS with Stewie or Tarik awhile back and they struggled.

NA CS always produced the best content, shame you didn’t watch it when it was popping. People think na CS is dead now but it’s in a rebuilding phase. If you look at the majority of players from Val who left CS weren’t achieving or accomplishing anything in CS so if they left how does that make a scene dead? Idk just my opinion. If that was the case the scene was dead along before Valorant. I will say the same problems in na CS will and has already occurred in na Val.

Regarding your content comment. Valorant is the trend game to play right now, therefore a lot of content creators are playing it right now, not to mention the game attracts a lot of kid viewers. It reminds me a lot of when Fortnite was the trend game to play. With the NA region there is always one game that is trendy that everyone plays and then they game hop to the next game. No one ever stays with a game long term anymore.

With Tarik, been following Tarik since 2017. Watched him and his streams on and off forever however I hardly watch him anymore. I can’t stand his new viewers and viewer base. It’s good to see he’s doing well, always had a good personality but his viewer base is cringe now. I remember he got 50k during the major and that was nuts. I would like to see Tarik some day come back to CS and compete though. Feel like he still got more in the tank and I refuse to believe his last play was him whiffing on overpass on that flank.

I do agree it would be nice for Valorant to add a higher skill gap. Add some actual movement and gun skill instead of having it be so dumb downed. Make some great points about counter strafing. You can have terrible movement and still be considered a good player in Valorant which is dumb imo. Movement is one thing that separates good players from great players.

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Has always had the problem. Great player with potential but never performs. Don’t know if he gets the jitters or he’s just another pro pug stomper.

Too bad he’s a MDL thrower

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I get randomness occurs in games with running or jumping shots. I just see it happen way more in Valorant than in CS whether it happens to me, my teammate, or YouTube/stream. It’s pretty much at a point where it’s not even random anymore and just considered a norm.

Regarding shroud, used to watch him a lot back in c9. Dude was racking up viewers back then and only blew up more. With that being said, I can’t stand the guy. Dude is just a brick wall who changes his opinion every two seconds. Dude has been shitting on cs ever since he retired. Calls it dead, then he said cs is harder, then he said cs is easier, like buddy make up your mind. Cant watch big streamers. Only person who I don’t understand who people watch more is pokimane.

Valorant has a bad smurfing problem.

Am I tripping or has the flags changed since we lasted talked lol. I think from a streamer perspective I would agree that closer matches would be better entertainment for the viewers than pub stomps but at the same time the majority of the streamers are watched because people want to watch them destroy. Back in CS, shroud had 10k viewers while still on c9 because he would make everyone look like bots in pugs and fpl/rank s. Back when being A+ on esea was the real deal. Same reason why he blew up on pubg because of him just destroying everyone.

As you said, growing up playing sports. We are competitors and we love to compete and win. It is nice to have a curb stomp here and there because it is nice to not be stressed but close games are more fun. Growing up on sports, the close games were always the most stressful but most satisfying because typically it was well played from both teams.

I do agree that the dumbed down aspects really is a turn off for me. Like I said, nothing is more frustrating than being destroyed by a player over and over again that you know you're better than. Like for me, it would be like in baseball striking out or grounding/flying out against a pitcher you know you can tee off on or missing an easy shot in football that you know you should have scored a goal on.

Regarding what you said about shroud and s0m again. They are better than majority of the players yes, s0m more than shroud. I think it's not that CS is easier but CS is a lot more punishing and easier to punish players for making mistakes as where in Valorant, you can get rewarded for being dumb. And yes It is a shame you can't 5 stack and the fact you gain no elo sucks as well. I remember waiting 20 mins for a game to get 5 rr. The game is most fun when played with friends but oh well. These posts are longer than I originally intended.

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From my personal experience, there are a lot of more one way stomps in Valorant than in CS. It feels like teams always seem to be one sided in Valorant. One team is always a lot better than the other. I do agree its a person basis but I still believe that if you are the better player and you know you are, it would be frustrating to know you're being nerfed for the more casual side. It gets quite annoying when you see players who you know you are better than but running 1 tap you because its valorant.

Regarding shroud, I don't hold his opinion very tightly because of him constantly changing it. I think Valorant is easier than CS in almost every way. The game is dumbed down a lot towards the more casual base. I just prefer cs because its more balanced. Valorant is fun to play with friends. The most fun I had on Valorant was when the game first came out and I was 5 stacking with friends. Ever since that was taken away in the higher ranks I've had less motivation to play.

It just wouldn’t make any sense to switch.

Never heard that. I heard he would consider if he got enough trophies in CS but he clearly stated “not enough trophies.”