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happens in pro play sometimes

not often though

People like you will keep underestimating China no matter what calling their runs "flukes". This is like when people underestimated Apac before they started winning.

Unfortunately, people will underestimate China even if they win champs again.

if we are talking about all time i agree, but rn he's a top 5 sentinel undisputed imo

are we deadass underrating leaf in 2025?

best player on the number 4 team in the world (yes, he's better than trent) and you don't even wanna consider him as a top 5 sentinel itw? cmon now. I know G2 gets a lot of hate, but leaf is hella underrated. He's imo one of the best aimers itw.

Then Cned should be HM since he's on the winning team right?

He still top fragged, but by his standard that tournament it was a bad game yes. Still doesn't mean that his other performances that tournament werent insane (which is what we are looking at).

Also the talk at the time was Envy getting the easiest group despite being 1st seed (they did) which inflated yay's stats

Brother in the playoffs, yay dropped 46/30 in the first game and 51/26 the second game (holy shit, I forgot how crazy he performed against 100T). His stats were def not inflated lol. Yay this tournament was actually a different beast.

Also in Champs Chronicle was insane yes, but I still think Derke was better (and yes I watched the tournament when it came out). To give Chronicle the HM there is a bit of a reach imo.

And he was the only 100T member that said the worst teammates he ever played with was BabyJ, which while probably isn't wrong, is still a crazy thing to say to the public

The fact Verno had the 3rd highest rating in the tournament while being on the worst team is genuinely impressive. Even if he did bait (which is honestly fine, he's on sova), he def has the raw talent to be a top player in the coming years.

For Berlin, I would give HM to yay (1.33 rating is insane and was carrying envy by himself). I wouldn't be mad at Chronicle being HM though.

For Champs Berlin 2021: MVP should be Cned and HM should be Derke.

Lol at this: Overall MVP of 2021-Present: Gambit / Fnatic Chronicle

Bro arguably has no HM and you still say ts, your glaze knows no bounds

SiuFatBB

Glazing Chronicle must be a passion for you

Riot gave it to him before the match because PRX was scripted to win. Everyone needs to wake up and see the injustice that is happening.

Fudgenatic

Kaajak was the reason they got first in EMEA to begin with

Unless Chronicle is the best player and they win Champs, Chronicle won't be the goat
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It will be Fudge

Champs isn't the only things that matters, but it's THE major of the year so I think it's higher importance than Masters.

Spring is personally my pick for best player of the tournament. 2nd highest rating, flexible controller, and only had one map where he went negative out of all the maps he played (if you don't include a -1 map) which is so crazy to think about. Also never farmed bad teams.

My glorious king Spring.

Should've known...

wolves literally beat gen g 2-0

and they're better than TL too

TL should be 6th

same thing with Aspas, same thing with Alfa, same thing with Tenz, same with Derke

there's a lot of people this applies to

I've been a wolves fan ever since I was a cub

tarik is actually a bot

most insane fall off in the valorant scene

You're a wolves fan so you have to have W taste. I'll give them a listen for sure.

I actually agree. The one thing I don't like about FNS stream is his constant overreactions in PRX games. Other than that he's a good watch party streamer.

cameran

No, I was talking about Boo

no ball knowledge

My favorite games were the Wolves games solely because of him (and lysoar confused aura)

My glorious king Spring

nats lurks literally were the biggest reason they won. If you just look at stats it's very barely nats (same rating, but nats had better stats in other areas). If you look at the whole picture, it's clearly nats. Either way it's nats.

For me, it's Sleep Theory, Sleep Token, Bad Omens, and Ado (is this list valid chat?)

Hopefully he gets his nerves under control. Easily the most easy to tilt player on Fnatic but he's inexperienced, so I'm sure he will build that mental eventually.

When have you last saw someone say something good about Boo

I heard people saying you don't have to give the mvp to the winning team. Does that mean Spring/Texture should get the mvp instead? They were rated higher than fudge overall. I hope the Fnatic fans would be ok with that!

Don't have to give it to the winners?

Fuck it give it to Spring or Texture, they had a higher rating.

mechanics wise yes

as an overall player hell no

Just from eye test

And by clears, I mean I think he's better at movement + shooting gun, I don't actually think there's a world difference in their mechanics

Outside of top 5 imo. The fnatic core + Aspas still run the top 5 imo (outside botser). Champs can change things tho.

I bring up individual mechanics and you bring up trophies. I'm not saying he clears as an overall player, I'm saying he clears mechanically.

to say he clears mechanically is not a crazy thing to say

As an individual player (mechanically) he clears Chronicle and with a major now people can't say the way he plays doesn't lead to wins anymore.

Also I just looked back at the stats and Chronicle was not 4-6 in 2023 either. And bro literally made the top 20 lists lmaooooo. You're the goat for that.

Actually though. It's like saying Scottie Pippen is the best nba player of all time lmao.

Nah everyone had at least 2 bad/mid maps in this series incluing Chron

The only player who played insane in all of them is fudge

If I had to choose a kyrie it would be kaajak but he was very inconsistent today. Fudge was a one man army today 100 kills in 4 maps is diabolical.

Been a fan since their international appearance with Benkai

Fudge carried everyone on Fnatic

Literally Lebron on the Cavs

He is def not top 3-6 in 2025 lmaooo we jus saying shit now

Fudge was putting Fudgenatic on his back today. Everyone had at least two bad/mid maps (Chronicle was negative in 2 maps) while Alfa was playing insane in all of them.

Since 2021, you can not win with Chronicle as the best player on your team and that's a fact. With Fudge you can. So tell me how is Chronicle > Fudge?