just say masters > ewc (which I completely agree with) not whatever this is

Masters has around the same prize pool + way more prestige (players would much much rather have a masters trophy than an ewc trophy)

Compare the viewers of ewc to masters, clearly most people feel the same way

If you wanna talk about the tournament itself, its schedule is horrible, the meta was rolled back, and format was absymal (online qualifiers and BO1s), production was ass, I could go on and on

Compare the hype of this to the hype of a masters. It's really not comparable in the slightest. I don't think it's mickey I think it's not equal to a masters.

Ts is not a major, more like the biggest off season tournament

congrats to heretics tho

brother has the audacity to clarify what he means

i know you mean I just don't agree 😭

FNATIC can move to #1. TH can end up between #2-#6

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are they? This is the first time in Valorant i've seen a consolotion final

isn't it 3rd and 4th?

On a side note, why do they have a consolation final lmaoooo

TH wins and Miniboo diffs Kaajak

Come back tomorrow if you don't believe me

What EDG showed in ewc doesn't mean anything for how they will perform in Champs

ewc qualifications were worse because they were online

Madrid qualifications were on LAN

That's fair, I misinterpreted in form as if the players were at their best

But I genuinely do think DRX have a ton of potential

DRX to me is potential man

With a lineup of Flicker, Mako, free1ng, Hyunmin, and Flashback they have the highest ceiling in the game individually imo

if in form drx with flashback is number one imo

Imo it's Gen G

Everyone on that team can shoot back exceptionally well

They just need to stop losing leads

i mean they lost and beat them quite recently

don't think them losing again is out of the picture all these top teams are close enough to the point where anyone can win

keiko + trexx + nats + kamo all at their ceiling is comparable if not better than Fnatic at their ceiling on paper imo

but on a consistent basis Fnatic is prob still the best team on paper

hey, I did say, "in valorant"

They've been top 3 in the last 3 tournaments. They are a competitive region and also started the latest.

China by process of elimination

Like a moth to a flame.

???

Respect Lev.

Top 3 in Champs is a feat not many teams will achieve.

On paper better than Fnatic imo

Stop this.

EMEA deserve respect.

Can we give a round of applause for EMEA for how well they performed in this tournament 👏👏👏

EMEA is a top tier region and this tournament is just another showing of that.

I expect nothing less from arguably the best region in Valorant overall.

Americas is bad too when did I say we aren't?

Americas is in the same boat if not worse imo

I can just imagine the threads when we win 10 years from now

Of course they can be happy and talk shit. But people saying this is = to masters when there are so many things that show that is not the case because 2 EMEA teams are in the finals is crazy.

Yeah I get what you mean all the EMEA fans saying they are the best after breaking their 2 year losing streak by winning an off season tournament does feel like an emotional response

Lev and EG bro trust 💀

all regions act similar to that when they win

Americas and EMEA act the worst though

On a real note, big ups for TH. Was sad they played like shit in Toronto but they finally look good again. Would be absolute cinema is Miniboo carries TH to a victory in the gf.

Also, I'm just saying EMEA is in the contention for most condescending. I thought it was Americas, but EMEA are giving them a run for their money.

Teams are stacked + prize pool makes this tournament enjoyable to watch but everything else makes it not as important as masters/champs.

And pretending like teams didnt try their ass of to win is so dumb loool.

Please let me know when I said this.

I mean all of Americas have cracked tier 2 talent, but obviously they are all unproven. And every region has that cracked tier 2 talent. It isn't looking too good rn with the players we currently have available right now, but it would be hilarious if Americas won Champs anyways.

Americas is horrible when did I say they weren't? In my opinion they are just as condescending as EMEA, like EMEA hasn't win anything in 2 years but Americas hasn't won in 1.5. They need to realize they haven't been a top region for a while. At least EMEA has prospects for the future lol.

yeah, they're horrible when did I say they weren't? This isn't about regions this is about the tournament itself being bad.

i mean they make it back in 2-3 months. It's a lot of money but a lot of money + the prestige of winning a masters trophy is much greater motivation for the players. in reality the 250k gap between masters and ewc doesn't make that big of a difference for the players (it's still more money, but per player the amount isn't huge), but no one cares about winning the ewc trophy while people care about winning for the masters.

No I treat all regions equally, I just think they deserve to be humbled a little bit no? Saying they're better than apac off a mickey mouse is crazy work.

it was never about prize pool dummy

you know many players can get tournament winnings in a few months right (100k) and that's assuming the org doesn't take any of the money. When prize pool is the only incentive to win, the tournament is mickey mouse by definition.

I mean one win in a mickey mouse tournament and they're feeling like this? Like they are better than everyone else? I just know for a fact they are going to bomb out in a tournament that actually matters (Champs). Just can't believe they need to be humbled after winning a Mickey Mouse tournament.

i've been waiting for you goat

doesn't change the fact that they couldn't win in 2 years and could only do so win the tournament status is questionable at best

format? horrible.
schedule? horrible.
production? horrible.

this tournament is by def mickey mouse

i mean i'm just looking at the tournament itself, like the format, production, schedule, etc. imo is the most fair way to judge it

ewc is mickey mouse and one tournament win in 2 years doesn't mean your region is on top no?

No one thinks that emea isn't competitive, but for people who use this tournament to say that emea clears other regions are either rage baiting or just dumb

nah, but if they do this in champs then yeah

tournament with bad everything but prizepool and people trying to make it seem like it's worth anything at all

no argument?

i'm ignoring everything else and just think the tournament itself is mickey, but if that's your only argument that's not a good look bro...

and yes the main reason players are trying to win is to win the trophy and the prestige that comes with it not for the prize pool. For a lot of teams at least. 100k per player sounds a lot and it is but many teams make that in a few months. And that's not even considering the fact that orgs take some of the winning money as well.

as if lev were ever contenders lol, it's not about the teams i'm rooting for it's about the tournament itself being mickey😂

because it's never the main reason why a player wants to win champs. They win champs because they want to win the champs trophy and for the prestige, there is none of that for ewc.

Also didn't meniton that they are playing on old meta and g2 were playing with a coach, but yeah it's Mickey