Trexx caused Derke to crash out and has had a reputation of being toxic. I don't know all the details, but he doesn't seem like a very good teammate. Obviously, he can change, but I don't think his behavior has anything to do with the IGL. He's very talented though, so TL might make it far off of fire power alone.

TL going to have their vitality arc

hot take: they are not even going to be top 5

Does that mean they are winning Champs?

They constantly have super team year after year and still can't close it out when it matters most of the time. I think the most overrated thing about Fnatic is their mental. People believed they are the team with the best mental in the world after the 11-3 comeback in Lock In yet, but there have been many times where they have shown to get way too complacent when they are up and way too stressed when they are down and this is shown in their grand finals record. Why are Fnatic not considered chokers?

Sidegrade

I don't want to ever C Xeppaa at 9 ever again

believe that then, I can't change your mind

Pacific is still better

Format is bad (online qualifiers + BO1), schedule is horrible, meta was rolled back, not part of the champions bracket (no points or prestige), production horrible, teams playing on the same day, and more

Money and level of teams is the only thing ewc has going for it

Wdym? It's not mickey and not masters, that's the best thing you can ask for in an off season tournament.

as a series this is worse

wdym, it's not mickey mouse but it's not the level of masters. There's a lot of things wrong with this tournament besides level of teams + prizepool (which are the only thing this tournament has going for it).

I'll address the first point, second one doesn't even make sense cause every team is in the same situation so it doesn't matter

Prize pool was good. Teams were good. But that's pretty much all this tournament has going for it.

Format is bad (online qualifiers + BO1), schedule is horrible, meta was rolled back, not part of the champions bracket (no points or prestige), production horrible, teams playing on the same day, and honestly I could go on

Not mickey mouse, but not at level of any masters is completely fair imo

unironically true

yes

still a reverse sweep with a 9-3 map choke in the process + several clutches lost

and it's very hard to exclude the fact that th only won 5 in the first 2 maps, but even without that it's still the worst choke in the gf

everyone should, Fnatic made history

That's fair but I'm talking about as a series

I unironically think it is. Lock in had that 11-3 one map choke but before that all the maps were blowouts from both teams.

FNC vs TH was a reverse sweep where TH literally got 5 rounds in the first 2 maps. Literally all the momentum in the world. And FNC did it against a team that is known for losing the grand finals. And they lost so many clutches and lost a 9-3 map in the process.

FNC did not seem to care nearly as much when they lost compared to when they lost in Toronto

They are already locked for Champs

d3ffo vibes

Basically this, people saying this tournament is equal to masters to push their EMEA agenda are shameless

5/10

finals was cool

That's fair. Is the only thing that qualifies whether a tournament is a major or not the amount of money that's involved?

I've already forgotten and locked in on champs

just say masters > ewc (which I completely agree with) not whatever this is

Masters has around the same prize pool + way more prestige (players would much much rather have a masters trophy than an ewc trophy)

Compare the viewers of ewc to masters, clearly most people feel the same way

If you wanna talk about the tournament itself, its schedule is horrible, the meta was rolled back, and format was absymal (online qualifiers and BO1s), production was ass, I could go on and on

Compare the hype of this to the hype of a masters. It's really not comparable in the slightest. I don't think it's mickey I think it's not equal to a masters.

Ts is not a major, more like the biggest off season tournament

congrats to heretics tho

brother has the audacity to clarify what he means

i know you mean I just don't agree 😭

FNATIC can move to #1. TH can end up between #2-#6

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are they? This is the first time in Valorant i've seen a consolotion final

isn't it 3rd and 4th?

On a side note, why do they have a consolation final lmaoooo

TH wins and Miniboo diffs Kaajak

Come back tomorrow if you don't believe me

What EDG showed in ewc doesn't mean anything for how they will perform in Champs

ewc qualifications were worse because they were online

Madrid qualifications were on LAN

That's fair, I misinterpreted in form as if the players were at their best

But I genuinely do think DRX have a ton of potential

DRX to me is potential man

With a lineup of Flicker, Mako, free1ng, Hyunmin, and Flashback they have the highest ceiling in the game individually imo

if in form drx with flashback is number one imo

Imo it's Gen G

Everyone on that team can shoot back exceptionally well

They just need to stop losing leads

i mean they lost and beat them quite recently

don't think them losing again is out of the picture all these top teams are close enough to the point where anyone can win

keiko + trexx + nats + kamo all at their ceiling is comparable if not better than Fnatic at their ceiling on paper imo

but on a consistent basis Fnatic is prob still the best team on paper

hey, I did say, "in valorant"

They've been top 3 in the last 3 tournaments. They are a competitive region and also started the latest.

China by process of elimination

Like a moth to a flame.

???

Respect Lev.

Top 3 in Champs is a feat not many teams will achieve.

On paper better than Fnatic imo

Stop this.

EMEA deserve respect.

Can we give a round of applause for EMEA for how well they performed in this tournament 👏👏👏