Ethan goat convo

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okbenzene
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Ethan might be ready for his 3rd guys what do we think is he the goat of val?

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jawn
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he can become top 5 if he wins a third

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okbenzene
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What?

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j is for jawhn

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luminescience
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Based

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Congo1
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An 0.9 international rating merchant can never be goat.

Goat IGL you can argue but not Goat Player

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JDeimos
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maybe even big game player but not goat player

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okbenzene
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What can he possibly do to win you over lmao
Maybe 6 champs or 7?

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Maybe being a top tier player individually?

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Who according to you is the closest to being the goat of valorant and please don't say Chronicle 😭

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Its objectively Aspas

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It's Alfajer

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jawn
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alfa, chron and aspas are the only players that belong in the argument

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trophies are important yes, but just player wise its gotta be aspas bro

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Its clearly chronicle. Then probably alfa, aspas, derke, tenz ....

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no way u said t0nz

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more of an argument than ethan

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t0nz is NOT above cheathan

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jawn
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tenz is top 10 so he is in fact above ethan

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t0nz is not top 10

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sujiru_kimimame
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T0nz is definitely NOT top10. Hes not even top15

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Ross
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I’d argue greatest IGL could be the GOAT. By ur logic, primmie is the goat. Bc he is the best mechanically, it’s a dumb argument.

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Congo1
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Has hasnt proven himself at top level at all. Farming regionals is galaxies away from dropping bombs in champs playoffs

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Ross
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Then tell me how u rank a player. Because this is how I do it to stay as objective as possible.

Champs
Masters
Regionals
Performance in champs
Performance in masters
Regional performance
Role specific abilities

It hurts my own favorite players, but how riot has set up their esports system to make champs the greatest accomplishment, this makes sense.

It becomes subjective opinion if we don’t have criteria.

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eno1
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exactly like why do people value mechanics over calling by default?

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tactical << shooter

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maybe in ranked yeah

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Ross
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How do you watch this game which is insanely inferior mechanically compared to CS and say, ā€œit’s a shooter firstā€. Brother one of the agents shoots a laser beam from the sky.

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LightningIFY
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tactics arent always equal to abilities, the game is still a shooter first, faria himself said that. tactics >> shooter in games like overwatch

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then why were ppl putting boaster in the top 10?

stupid argument

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jawn
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top IGL for like 6 years (i also don't have him in my top 10)

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Congo1
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2 trophies and 10 finals and people discuss to MAYBE put him in top 10. That tells you all. Ethan is galaxies away from goat status

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Ross
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Ethan actually is mechanically talented also. Brother he carried an NA team to top1 ITW in CS and a top 20 HLTV player.

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thats even worse

a player that was barely Top #20 in CS one singular time being the GOAT of Valorant would cement our beloved videogame as the ultimate mickey mouse game

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Ross
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Brother, do u know how hard top 20 is. Also, Covid killed NA CS right at Ethan’s peak. He would have gotten even better if given the chance. But it didn’t work out. So now he comes to dominate here.

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he was exactly #20 and only 1 time, which means that at his PEAK in CS, there was 19 players better than him, we cant have him as our Valorant GOAT

And hes not dominating here, all he has are team achievements, he has zero MVPs. He is a great player, but not GOAT of the game material

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Ross
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There is no objectivity with this is the issue.

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do realise NRG won champs because Ethan popped off in Sunset? Goat player is someone who shows up when needed. You don’t need to get 30 per game to be considered goat (ahem aspasino)

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i would argue he gets close top 10 if he wins? maybe, his ratings and impact are way too small

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LightningIFY
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hes top 10 if he wins fs, no matter how ass the player is if he has won 3 champs trophies then thats a big accomplishment itself

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Ethan could win 5 Champions and he still wouldnt be the GOAT

there isnt a singular human being with a working brain that watches this guy play and thinks: "yeah, thats the GOAT right there"

zero international MVPs, zero regional MVPs

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First W

#39
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Chron had to be the best on his team when he was a top 5 player in the world so why is that argument never getting used for Ethan?
He won half his titles when he wasn't an IGL so thats also a bad argument.

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Chron makes teams the best teams. Gambit FNC VIT. Without him none of these teams wouldve won too much. At best maybe 2023 FNC. Maybe. You think deffo redgar sheydos jampi and profek wouldve won shit? Crashies?

His numbers are hard data. You cant argue that

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Piter
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Nacho Fernandez has 6 champions leagues.
Messi has 4.

That should be all you need to know how ridiculous it is to call Ethan the goat, even if he wins this year and the next

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