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I never watch this guys' videos, but had to click when I saw the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd34oGCupCs ("The Top 10 Greatest Valorant Orgs OF ALL TIME!")

What a dogshit list.

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G2 in the top 10 (only 1 final at an 8-team masters btw), but no Gambit (1st Masters and 2nd Champs), no TH (who are directly better in comparison), and some other teams clear (even DRX is better I think) LMAO
NRG (3 top 4s: 4th masters, 1st champs, 3rd masters) over ENVY/OPTIC (4 top 4s: 2nd Masters, 1st Masters, 3rd Masters, 2nd Champs)???
GEN.G EG kind of high.
PRX 1 > FNC 2 (not a crazy issue, but he forgot that Champs should be valued more than Masters and FNC Champs placements >>> PRX Champs placements. FNC should still be 1 right now)

I'll make a list (updated from last year) soon that will be MUCH better.

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rare good take

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sentinelmain377

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"rare good take"

0/8. It's a "common good take."

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??? what is nrg even doing in the top 10 lmfao

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GambleNats

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I actually fully agree with you lmao

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lyssss

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NRG 6th should get his ass banned from streaming

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t0t0_wolff

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FUT fire his ass. Should've kept FUT at #1

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Meh I didn't watch his video and I don't plan on watching it but just skimming through the list, I don't think it's without its merits. I would value recent accomplishments much highly than those of the 2021 era. Genuinely who the fuck rates Gambit? They haven't been in Valorant since they lost to Ascend.

I would also consider TH and G2 equal, neither is better than the other. TH has two top 2 finishes at internationals while G2 has four top 4 finishes at internationals (3rd, 2nd, 4th, 4th). TH peak is higher but G2 had more permanence through the years. And no, I don't count EWC as jack shit for this conversation since it's not part of the VCT circuit. Also If you think DRX is better then sorry but you are delusional.

And in what world is NRG not better tha Envy/Optic? Champs 2025 alone almost trumps everything Envy/Optic has accomplished with the sheer timeframe between them.

I don't understand how you think EG and Gen G are high when they're near the bottom of the list.

I agree that FNC clears PRX.

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Kirya

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If it's an all time ranking I don't think you should value recent accomplishments more than the old ones

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Rakooon

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I disagree, I wouldn't dismiss old accomplishments entirely but they clearly aren't worth as much as recent ones.

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Kirya

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But it's an all time ranking
Doing what youve said just ruins the entire point and turns it into something else
Teams all the way back in 2021 2022 were ahead of everyone else and their accomplishments back then should still have a lot of value on the list

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Rakooon

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People know more about Valorant and how to play the game properly now than they did in 2021. Sorry but all time there's zero chance teams like Gambit or Ascend are greater than G2/TH or even DRX.
It's straight up idiotic just taking the amount of trophies and placements in a vaccum and expect people to believe that Ascend winning Champs 2021 is the same as NRG winning Champs in 2025.

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Kirya

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But it's org accomplishments not roster accomplishments? Gambit won masters and finished 2nd in champs how is that not better than what DRX has done as an org? Sure DRX 2025 roster would beat 2021 gambit, but if we're talking about orgs specifically then gambit has achieved more with that win than what DRX has done in 2025(It's just an example btw but DRX usually just placed 5-6th or in top 3-4 only with no actual wins or even 2nd places)
Also do you realise that most of middle table teams in 2026 would completely dominate most of the top teams from the past years all the way up to mid 2025 just making this entire convo pointless if we use your logic and it wouldnt be a real all time ranking

Btw fun fact if we use your logic then leviatan should comfortably be a top 3 org of all time and nongshim should make the list as well

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Rakooon

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You completely missed my point, it's not as much as if a 2026 team would beat a 2021 team but that any high placement or tournament win of 2026 matters a lot more than its 2021 counterpart.

Btw fun fact if we use your logic then leviatan should comfortably be a top 3 org of all time and nongshim should make the list as well

No because regional placements also matter. Nongshim and Lev haven't been impressive in in that regard.

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Kirya

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Nah I get your point its just flawed and ruins the whole point to make an all time list to begin with
Winning back then was still just as hard, every single team had to learn the game from scratch and figure out the meta and fundamentals, hence why it shouldnt be dismissed just because its been 5 years ever since and the teams have evolved

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Kirya

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Also replying to your edit you have lost the plot
Lev have won 1 regional and placed 2nd and 3rd 2 other times on top of making top 3 in champions
On top of also making multiple lan events and even top 8 and top 5-6 in masters copenagen and champions 2022
And thats without their most recent win in masters(if you put london form leviatan against all other winners they'll prolly beat everyone)

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Rakooon

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Fuck it, might as well put Lev 6th or 5th then. I originally only commented on sentinelmain's points he made on his post, not to make a list of my own. Where did Nongshim and Lev suddendly come in from

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Kirya

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I gave it as an example to explain why your point is silly
Teams from 2021-2024 wouldnt stand a single chance against 2026 teams because the gameplay has changed too much. Thats why its better to do an all time list without dismissing old accomplishments. Id say if you compared the rosters and not orgs then itd make more sense. Like if the org has more wins and earnings within that game(in vct not including off season ofc) then they are better if it's all time

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about the G2 thing, G2 was also prominent during the dinosaur era as an EMEA team and the only year that team wasn't "relevant" they still had OXY on their team who ended up being a mainstay in tier one. I feel like between the EMEA and NA G2's I do think G2 deserve to be here. None of yall were here for GMB vs. G2 Icebox...

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if he's including G2 (EU), G2 still doesnt make top 10.

also I was there for GMB vs G2 Icebox. I was a nats fanboy and it was cinema

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sevenluvr

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i mean he kisses other men for entertainment

he should never be taken seriously

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lyssss

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stfu loser

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t0t0_wolff

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Stage 2 he'll kiss seven after they defeat FUT. Should he be taken seriously then??

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sevenluvr

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What the fuck

Id be do jealous

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kyro1

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G2 is easily top 10 be so fr and GenG is the best team in all of valorant so they get bonus points

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haven't watch it but G2 dominate amer it should count no? it's not like PRX who great on APAC but not dominate like G2 even seen franchise im sure the worst placement they got on amer is 3rd once?