Why is forsaken > chronicle ALL TIME

Right now forsaken > chronicle, but what about all time?

If you care about stats, forsaken has like 2 internationals where he has greater than 1 rating, while chronicle is better than 1 rating in nearly every tourney he’s ever played in.

If you don’t care about stats, chronicle has 3 trophies while forsaken has 1. You can’t call Chron less versatile because he doesn’t have two one tricks (jingg and smth) that force him to play a bunch of agents, he’s incredible every agent he does play.

Sure, forsaken is the best prx player, while chronicle isn’t, but that’s because of Leo, alfajer, and derke. If Chron was on prx, he’d also be their best player.

Yes all time

Never really got the forsaken goat shouts, from the same people that say chronicle got carried.

f0rsaken gets partial igling credit I guess, personally idc about vct 'goat debates' until a s1mple type player who can consistently carry a mediocre team to international contender status shows up

even saying that f0rsaken is better than chronicle today is weird cause chronicle played with a complete on his team and still put up better numbers in EMEA than f0rsaken did in APAC
remember when f0rsaken played the masters tokyo with cgrs, nobody forced chronicle > f0rsaken, how people force it today
and chronicle hard diff f0rsaken on prx x fnatic on champions paris even playing with a last minute complete (doma) on his team)
all of chronicle narratives are better than f0rsaken, even when f0rsaken won, chronicle had a better rating/kd

Chronicle:
2021: Initiator (Recon/Support)
2022: Initiator + Controller + Duelist + Chamber
2023: Flex Initiator (Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Flasher/Support) + Viper + Sentinel
2025: Sentinel + Viper + Flex Initiator (Flash/Support)
2026: Sentinel + Harbor

Trophies: 3, Finals: 7, Top 4s: 8, Top 6s: 9, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 10/17

Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)

International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1), 1.07 (#15)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.

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F0rsaken:
2021: Duelist
2022: Duelist + Chamber
2023: Duelist + Initiator (Flash/Support) + Controller + Sentinel + IGL
2024: Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + Yoru + Harbor + Cypher + IGL
2025: Controller + Flex Initiator (Recon/Support) + IGL
2026: Controller + Yoru + Veto + Fade

Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 9, Top 6s: 10, Top 8s: 10
International Appearances: 14/17

Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)

International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15), 1.03 (#25), 0.95 (currently #29)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.

Conclusion: Chronicle is better. 0 debate needed.

Cuz he's close to playing every agent lmao