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Tier 1 IGLs should be reviewed

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#1
omegacopium

Genuine question, if teams value structure, clarity, and leadership so much, why wouldn’t someone like vora be a more impactful pickup than Ethan atp? I'm not trying to flame Ethan, he’s solid, experienced, and clearly understands how to play within a system, but a lot of the praise around him seems to revolve around... being reliable rather than actually shaping how a team plays? He fits in, does his job, and doesn’t lose you games, which is valuable, but also replaceable.

With vora, even if the raw stats aren’t always eye-popping, you’re getting someone whose value is much more directional, he has clearer mid-round ideas, stronger identity and impact on the team and a more defined leadership presence. That kind of influence feels harder to replicate than Ethan's support role on the team.

So I’m honestly wondering, in a Tier 1 environment where systems and calling matter more than ever, wouldn’t a player like vora raise a team’s ceiling more than Ethan, who mostly seems to protect the floor? Not saying Ethan is bad at all. Just trying to understand why teams would default to the safer veteran option instead of someone who might actually give them more control and intent round to round...

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Acethyr
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balls

#3
Cryoglazer
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no one gaf, make either an ick thread, femboy thread or some other bait thread pls and ty 😸

#5
g2gcHATER
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upvote

#6
omegacopium
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YOUR igl is a part of this discussion

#10
Cryoglazer
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oops i didnt read it lmao😭 too many words

#12
omegacopium
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TLDR: vora > Ethan + prove me wrong

#13
Cryoglazer
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omg wait ur so right

#16
omegacopium
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I know a thing or two about goated IGLs ✅

#52
Arun777
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worst take i've ever heard, get off this platform bro

#55
omegacopium
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I was just asking

#7
Jayde
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thats not very nice :<

#11
Cryoglazer
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maybe i was abit harsh.. 😿

#8
poggpigg
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holy meanie 😢😿

#14
BabyWizard
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Femboys?? Where????

#57
variant2x
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yk what hell yeah

#4
notallwhowander
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I think u kinda answered your own question. If there was any role where defaulting to the "safest" pick would be highest ROI option it would be igl

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omegacopium
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"Safest" doesn't mean "winning option", it just means your pick will be decent

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notallwhowander
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that's precisely what I'm saying.IGL is the only role where defaulting to a "decent" pick is more optimal than hiring an untested (at the highest levels anyways) hotshot (not saying teams shouldn't gamble on "genius" igls).

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omegacopium
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Yeah but why not choose great players for all roles instead of 4 goated players and a decent one

#20
notallwhowander
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because experience is weighted more for seniors? I feel like what I'm saying isnt hard to grasp.

the formula for a winning team ( not even in valorant btw) is

  • brilliant hotshots early on in their career, eager to prove themselves

  • a couple old guys who've been in the system long enough to know how everything works to reel them in

#22
omegacopium
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Basically what you're saying is that Liquid is a winning team, thanks

Experienced IGL = nAts
Brilliant hotshots eager to prove themselves = purp0, Miniboo, kamo, wayne

#25
notallwhowander
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depends if u think purpo and gang are good enough, but yeah the team structure is aiit, at least from a macro lvl

#31
NRGSUPERFAN
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Nats isnt an experinced IGL. Had 1 stage in 2024 and 1 season of igling.

#34
omegacopium
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What is this comment... He is experienced and an IGL... If you hate Ayaz just say so

#50
NRGSUPERFAN
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hes not

#54
omegacopium
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Yes he is

#17
poiuu20
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allat

#19
Shadow_Monarch
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Allat but Nerve definitely needs a review. W Vora glaze though, but Ethan clears.

#23
omegacopium
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Yes, Nerve needs a review

#21
natalie229
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because vora kinda ahh

#24
omegacopium
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No he's not

#26
9wntr
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w vore

#27
omegacopium
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Another example of an IGL who should have been reviewed earlier: FNS

He left and his team won a championship

#28
nutab1e
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Ethans midrounding is better than voras

#32
omegacopium
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Debatable

#29
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
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I mean... What is a good igl depends on the team you're working with
NRG 25 had 3 rookies, all aim demons in their own right, so the ceiling was endless, and each was good if not really good at their role. So all ethan had to do, was make sure that they never collapsed under the pressure.
But if your team is a bunch of seasoned vets, then you lifting the ceiling by coordinating a play makes the difference. Fnatic Boaster is a prime example of this leading 4 or 3 vets (if you consider 23 and 24 vs 25), he didnt need to keep their mental up, he just coordinated the play

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SENfns
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NRG's system has already been set in place by FNS, ethan is just following the system and giving it his own twist
you don't need to change your whole system if you change igls, they just went for more firepower in a similar system

#33
omegacopium
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"By FNS" sure bud... Let's pretend the coaches don't do that

they just went for more firepower in a similar system

That part is true

#36
SENfns
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Ok if coaches do it like you said
why do you need your igl to do it....

#37
omegacopium
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You don't need an IGL to setup a "system", IGLs should be making in-game decisions on the fly, not pre-established plays and game plans

#38
SENfns
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more experience leads to better decisions on the fly
thats why ethan is better than vora in your scenario

#41
omegacopium
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That's what YOU are saying. If more experience = better decisions on the fly, then your parents would be always right

#43
SENfns
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valorant is completely different to life.....

#45
omegacopium
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We're not talking about Valorant, we're talking about humans and their capacities to play a videogame

This IS real life

#46
SENfns
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wrap it up unc

#47
omegacopium
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Unc?? I'm probably younger than you

Also, why make a joke? I think you just know you couldn't argue with facts and now you're trying to be funny to distract people from that...

#35
foythvlr
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read the first sentence and immediatly started laughing so much i couldn't finish the post good job

#39
BerLINglazer
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essaay

#40
omegacopium
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You're berLINglazer

#42
cirruss
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Not gonna lie, I think you are right. I think Valorant is also more reliant on midrounding and the overall system rather than CS, which is more based around prep and where antistratting is more effective. The game is a lot faster, and having an IGL / multiple voices who are leading the team each round from start to finish is much more important.

#44
omegacopium
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Exactly!!

#49
cirruss
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It's why Ethan went from a bad IGL on NRG in 2024 to supposedly the best in 2025. He didn't suddenly become the best midrounder in the world, he stopped playing under Chet and FNS' system and went with Bonkar with a new core.

#51
DBStudios
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The game is a lot faster, and having an IGL / multiple voices who are leading the team each round from start to finish is much more important.

I don't exactly agree with the multiple voices part, the main reason neT was dropped from G2/TGRD was because they didn't need multiple voices on the team and they got much better afterwards.

#53
Pomshies
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With godkar as a coach even Ethan can be reach the level of the likes of vora

#56
omegacopium
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True, we might see Ethan reach vora's level someday

#58
jamie1308
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I think there its not that black and white since we have proof of ethan being a world champion IGL its really up to the team. I dont think the team leader has to be the IGL.

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