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The house is on fire...

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m4

I recently finished reading “Thinking in Systems” by Donella Meadows and for fun thought I would apply it to Valorant, VCT and esports orgs using the “shifting the burden to the intervenor” discussion.

Instead of writing a long drawn out 20 page paper, I want to shrink this into something hopefully readable. I know a lot of people won’t engage with this post and that’s fine. Once again, my targets are the few who do and who maybe are not in a position today to do something but in the future, maybe.

I believe that we, in Valorant esports, have a “shifting the burden to the intervenor” problem. This idea goes like this, there is a problem, team underperformance. There is a quick fix, switching out a coach or players. And a fundamental solution, something that takes longer, which in my opinion, is building on fundamentals and doing the boring stuff.

The boring stuff takes longer to learn and the system (Valorant esports ecosystem) always has a quick fix in the name of players or coaches to swap in and out. This even exists at the academy level where we are trying to develop the future of Valorant esports. The boring stuff is not an endless calendar of scrims. It's not comparing this game to magic the gathering or chess. It's diving into the mechanics of the game and using those mechanics to produce interesting results. This game is more than the agent select screen. We can break this boring loop we find ourselves in.

This loop looks something like this, Team A, underperforms over the course of a season and doesn’t place well internationally. Despite giving the team ample time to “figure it out”, they don’t. The organization feels they have only one option, cut players and find new ones. Another round of a season goes by and the team still underperforms. The organization feels they have only one option, they cut the coach and the cycle continues. This has been the last five years of our lives.

The fundamental path of leveling up teams cannot be explored because the franchise system is closed. An organization has a certain subset of people that have the experience to be “trusted” in these positions. These people participate in a talent carousel that drops them out of the system and a couple years later pulls them back in. The organizations claim to create super teams from outside talent but then over time when it shows to be false, they quickly dissolve and we are distracted by new players from Ascension.

The fix is to attack the fundamental problem. This problem is there is no exploration outside of the system because the system is closed. There are no discussions and there are only echo chambers. We believe only tier 1 has the answers yet we have had no progression. We still have the same things happening in every game. No one is willing to try new combinations of agents or develop new paths to gunplay unless they are shown to be successful. But there is no opportunity for new successful combinations to be displayed. We have roster moves that are always safe and predictable. Coaches are rewarded with additional time when blame can be shifted away from them and towards the players. Everyone is aware of the loop and is constantly worried about the loop.

Just like Riot promotes causes like inclusivity, this needs to be expanded to capture more of the community. There cannot just be one initiative to get the community involved. There needs to be more open tournaments for everyone who wants to participate that goes beyond online.

Historically, in tactical FPS games, online was never the final destination. It was the space between LAN events. If we have more Riot endorsed tournaments, a wider net will create more potential than the carousel of talent we currently have. Counter-strike built a generation of players that then passed that love of the game to their siblings who carried the torch and still play to this day.

The house is on fire, the system is broken, we cannot be reliant on the same fixes for the next five years. We need to wake up and smell the smoke, see the fire before we are only left with ashes and the next game that will repeat the same mistakes.

Thank you for attending my TED talk.

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Luffythegoat
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Did this guy actually think of this or is this a copy and paste

#20
m4
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Thought of it and want people's opinions about it

#3
LugiaVLR
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allat

#4
veronika
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@grok tldr pls

#5
1dan1x
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yeah im not reading ts

#6
Kei8
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hey chatgpt can you apply the phrase shifting the burden to the intervenor to the game valorant please

#7
grisx23
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tldr: coaches are lazy with player swap instead of nurturing them or strats

#12
Biggest100TFAN
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Thank u bro 🙏

#19
m4
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Organizations

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grisx23
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No, coaches make these decisions. They will tell you they dont for good pr and staff will tank the hit since they are semi anonymous

#8
Laundry
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Hiii m4!!! How are you? ^-^

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foythvlr
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Yeah but what can we even do as a community? The entire fanbase has been screaming for years about the necessity of opening the system and how Franchising was, to say the least, done too early, and riot doesn't seem to really want to throw this idea. I feel like they know the ideal for a long term sustentability is losing some money now to build for the future but they don't seem willing to do it. Guess we'il have to see how they do the 27 system but i don't think they will open the system regardless of what we think. What i do think would be a good idea is do our own thing, develop a community-based e-sport to be big enough to pressure riot, but this would require such a mobilization from everyone that i think its impossible to pull off

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MrBlooBloom
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ehhh, that's not entirely wrong but I think you underestimate too much that the people who work on these teams also have their limitations and whatnot

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dimmed
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Wow, I actually see myself agreeing with you on this. Franchising promises stablity to org but it does ultimately lead to this echo chamber you described where players on underperforming teams are constantly cut and re-signed to teams.

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nightwinter14
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Holy, this gotta be AI-generated because VLR users don’t have this capacity.

Riot has always designed franchising to support their long-term of organization stability, and never intended for it to support players. As for the loop for underperforming teams, this is just another example of capitalism on a much smaller scale. Smaller companies are fucked over by larger companies having more resources (aka recruiting the best talent), and nepotism runs rampant.

Organizations feel constant pressure to perform from investors, so franchising or not, dropping players and picking up old ones is inevitable. And if you are expected to have a certain baseline performance, why would teams bother trying out risky unique team composition, over copying from the best teams which have been proven to work? Especially when Riot keeps the meta shifting every 3 months, giving barely enough time for teams to adapt.

Running open tournaments barely help because the largest teams won’t participate unless Riot offers large incentives (VCT points) which Riot will never do.

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SENfns
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m4 definitely has the capacity to do this

#14
seven_glazer
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Happy for you or so sorry that happened idk

#15
xax3
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we are not reading all ths

#16
BerLINglazer
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meow

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king_bob
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it's already been doomed, Riot wanted to replicate the franchising they got going on in LoL and in turn created the same closed nepo bubble in esport thats like 10x smaller and more broke. Since franchising back in 2018 NA LoL has been rapidly dying due to all the same issues you described for Val and is now practically dead as fuck right now, but it's still seen as a success because the bajillion Korean and Chinese players keep the system stable. CS already has a perfectly functioning tournament model for more than a decade now but it'll never be adapted

LoL comparisons context https://nerdstreet.com/news/2022/4/valorant-vct-2023-new-leagues-partner-teams-next-season/ look at them proudly pushing a failing system from their biggest success just because it was adapted in asian regions that are literally too big to fail

NA Val soon is replicating this https://x.com/MonteCristo/status/1929760776648380475 because it's already happening https://escharts.com/news/valorant-2025-kickoff-viewership-results-statistics

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31Raven
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chartebt what is a box of ice called

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