why no lower bracket in the most important games of the tournament?
https://www.vlr.gg/event/2519/vct-2025-emea-ascension/?src=ac
EMEA Ascension Playoffs
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Not sure what you mean. They're using the same group stage format as Champions
Wait, that's weird. There's no final though, it just says qualified. So what are they qualifying for, the final or the actual playoffs?
Ohhhhh wait nvm, there's no final, the winners just go to VCT EMEA. Yeah that's really, really weird
It's not "weird" it's absolute trash, we have no excuses of not doing the exact same format of APAC x)
they can't mess this up , we know how shit the format was before in EMEA stage 3 and the point system for qualification to Ascension and now this
A bit late, but I wanna clear this up since Ive seen peeps discuss this on other platforms too
The tourney is mirrored so to make explaining it easier forget about anything regarding group B.
-> Theres only 1 group, top 2 make it to playoffs with A#1 playing A#2
If you now look at the bracket you will notice that its a completely normal double elim bracket. The "playoffs" in this format is just a grand finals.
(And obviously the grand finals never has a lower bracket)
The only reason it looks weird is because its 2 tourneys in 1 and due to the artificial split they have for a venue change.
double elim hater smh
(If you wanna see some REALLY weird stuff, try turning it from a double elim into a triple elim bracket)
double elim hater smh
You completely missed the point of the thread. I'm not hating on the group stage format but the playoffs one.
2 "Grand Finals" slots for the VCT spot without a lower bracket screams mickey mouse. And EMEA are doing it different than other regions (Pacific is a similar case with 2 new teams qualifying and they have a lower bracket).
And that too for basically the biggest games of the year
You completely missed the point of the thread. I'm not hating on the group stage format but the playoffs one.
There is no playoffs. Its only a double elim bracket. Thats what my post explained.
And EMEA are doing it different than other regions
Well yes? Every region is doing it differently.
However if you actually look whats inside the Pacific bracket youre gonna be very disappointed. Its a group stage for seeding into a... double elimination bracket.
EMEA has been doing seeding during the various EMEA stages already so theyre saving time.
Ofc Id love more matches too, but you cant evaluate a tournament bracket based on that.
Well all it takes is an off day and you're sending 2 worse team to VCT .
A lower bracket literally solves all the problem , loser gets a 2nd chance (as they should) and the qualification is fairer.
Also is it a money issue cos all the players are playing in the basement or are they actually trying to make the worst bracket possible?
Well all it takes is an off day and you're sending 2 worse team to VCT .
This is always the case in any grand finals. But yes 100% valid.
A lower bracket literally solves all the problem
Well no. Youre turning a 2x 4-team double elim into a groups -> 4 team double elim bracket... which IS better, but still has the exact same upset issue in the qualifying matches
Thats just elimination brackets.
Also is it a money issue cos all the players are playing in the basement
We are to believe budget is a major issue, yes.
or are they actually trying to make the worst bracket possible?
The big advantage of the current format is that you can fairly play both qualifying series on the same day.
(At the time of my post above, I was still, wrongly, under the impression that this was the intention)
However, since theyre not doing that, im not sure why exactly they chose it.
There is nothing inherently wrong with the current bracket mind you. Its just very unusual and... well unnecessary when you have 2 days to play out your qualifying matches.
Simply turning it from 2x 4-team double elims into a single 8-team double elim and removing the GF (so adding a single match to playoffs) transforms it into a completely normal bracket that everyone is used to seeing.
Gets rid of map ban advantage too, so (100% biased) it has to be good.
Turning the playoffs into a full 4-team double elim is a tad much imo, since youre adding 3 games with minimal upside.
I dont understand how the final 4 is double elim. Loser of match Semi A cant play winner of semi B to see if theyre better than them.
its 2 separate brackets going on at the same time.
Draw the bracket with only 1 of the groups.
Forget about the final 4 and look at all games from teams in the group (the split between groups and playoffs doesnt exist anymore)
What is left is a double elim.
The swap between the 2 teams is done for fairness reasons (it reduces the effect of bad seeding if the 2 best teams are in the same group) but you can completely ignore it, to make understanding the bracket easier
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