Natus Vincere vs. Karmine Corp | VCT 2025: EMEA Stage 2 | Group Stage | Valorant match

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Kc break apart navi 2-0 (edit: seeing how good they played fntic they might get a map but we are overall better)

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Ehh, NAVI looked like a good team vs FNATIC, KC haven't looked good since week 1 imo.

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but kc looked better against fntic than navi tbh against koi they played really well 2 map and got anti strated on 1 map soo i don't hink what your are saying make much sence

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KC did not look better against FNATIC than NAVI? The NAVI series was 1. way closer than the KC series and 2. NAVI were getting the first blood and playing the beginning of the rounds almost perfectly, and FNATIC got saved by hero plays practically every round. KC was incredibly messy against KOI and KOI looked abysmal. You are giving way too much credit to KC

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ok ok isee where the pb is soo in valorant u have multiple stile where fntic and navi trie to do the "boring" kinda stile kc in way more explosive and based on trade and trust between players where u see messy they see and not as structure playstile that does work really well and did pur fntc on the back foot the difference between stile doesn't mean kc are bad would you say prx are bad ? would you say t1 are bad ? would you say rrq are bad ? the only difference is that kc are in a weaker regions so u don't give them as much credit but its a missunderstanding off what the win condition are for each team and what gameplan they follow + navi need 1st blood cause they aren't as skilled as kc's players

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PRX and RRQ do not have a playstyle similar to KC, the only similarity is the fast-paced nature of their games. Not speaking for T1 because I haven't watched their games, but PRX and RRQ have a very solid understanding of the game whereas KC make questionable call after questionable call every game with even more questionable comps. Calling NAVI players unskilled is just not true and saying NAVI need first bloods doesn't really make any sense because all teams should be aiming to do that.

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U missed what i meant with the first blood completely and i didn't called em unskilled i said and its true that kc's player are better (iff you don't agree its useless talking cause ir delulu) look at kc's game look at the set execute and dare say it doesn't look like rrq or prx ( im not saying they are as good but. Its the same type of plays) + they know eachother way more i feel like u could compare what you call mess. With last year fut plays which aimed at disturbing enemies in retake or basic default which work well in europe. Now questionnable calls u gotta tell me example. It possible but i reviewed some games and i didn't see atrocious call as you seem to be calling upon

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I don't agree that the KC players are better? Hiro Ruxic and Alexiiik are some of the most talented players in the scene rn, Shao is a very storied player and Ange1 is one of the most experienced IGLs in the game. If you want to see examples of messy KC just look at KC vs Apeks 2 weeks ago. That game was atrocious by both teams. KC was the overwhelming favorite coming into that game, and they should have lost. KC is one of the most inconsistent EMEA teams.

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I think u could say sunset was bad but on lutos apks had really good round start some off the best util usage until spile plant tbh so. Ok on 1/3rd of the bo. Kc played bad. Bit stille i think. Ots unfair to the way u see the game its fps before all. Kc have. Marteen a top 10 players even if rn he isn't at his top avez + elite are real goos suy in top10 emea and sadhaak is a better igl so still think ur really mistaken but im bot worried kc has a lot off hater hater that will be shut when we win champs

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I'm not hating on KC. Is it not possible for someone to critique KC and also not be a hater? I just genuinely believe NAVI has a higher ceiling than Karmine Corp, and sometimes being a devout fan of a team can stop you from seeing things l ike that.

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"We are overall better" and then 4/5 KC players are negative to end the series 🥀

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Navi did. Play better than i expected shao and angel did have life game. But I'd say i was belittling ruxic he is an incredible player

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Without being a hater, Navi played pretty well against Fnatic, never getting stomped on any of the three maps, while KC seemed to struggle against the two worst teams in the group (KOI & Apeks), losing one map and getting caught off guard a lot.

I think Navi will be less forgiving of these mistakes and more punitive. I think it will be an interesting and close match.

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Close match, but should swing for KC

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Kc 2-1
Avez drop 66

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Map Pick:
KC ban Ascent; NAVI ban Lotus; KC pick Sunset; NAVI pick Icebox; KC ban Corrode; NAVI ban Haven; Bind remains

Result:
KC 2 : 1 NAVI

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Navi 2-0 KC

If we can NEARLY beat FNATIC then we can definitely win against Karmine Corp

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NAVI 2-1 KC

KC trolls way too often

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2-1 NAVI
Ruxic and alexik look good.
It’s a 2-1 either way, close game.

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Bind Lotus Icebox.

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Natus Vincere 2-0 Win MVP:alexiiik

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KC 2 - 1

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If we lose today I'm gonna personally book Happy a flight back to the USA so he can ruin teams there

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LETS GO KC!
NEVER THOUGHT I'D ROOT FOR THE FR*NCH BUT IT'S NECESSARY FOR KOI TO ADVANCE!

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Bye bye clownmine corporation

NAVI retirement home 2-0 KC

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ggwp 2-1 navi

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2-0 KC without a doubt

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NaVi 2-0 without a doubt

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look how the play. they deserve to be 0-2'd

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and them u wake up xDDD this navi is ASS

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wow dude imagine not actually watching matches and yap about games on vlr.gg

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lose every clutch KC not real

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what is this paragraph

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i told yall, this navi is complete ass, they cant win a single round anymore after that 3x1, this round fucked his minds

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🤓

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guys can kc reverse sweep?

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corrode is kc perma ban

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kc perma ban = is open XD

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saadhak gotta go

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12-11 5v3 lose = 12-14

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Hear me out, mibr saadhak

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hes fkin washed cant u see u wanna pair together washed aspas + sadhaak

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Better yet, VIT Saadhak

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picking attack on corrode, was pretty obvious kc had limited brain cells before this but its too evident now

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KC no playoffs 100%

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both of these teams are now in playoffs right?

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Ruxic is insane

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Nothing makes sense anymore

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Co nedává smysl?Určitě jsi neviděl NAVI vs FNATIC.Tam se kluci nastartovali, i když prohráli.Navi champions.

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alešek the goat