is ascension a flawed concept

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#1
tv0rusluke
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apart from the G2 core, no ascension team has done consistently good
the closest you have is XLG who are getting absolutely run over since their Split 1 performance, DRG is shit
M8 are shit, Apeks and 2G horrendous
Boom did a fluke run under favorable circumstances and Nongshim Redforce is probably the most erratic team in APAC

and since they are only guaranteed for a year, its most likely that such teams would never get any chance for redemption as there is not enough time

#2
termtermtermterm
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m8s are not shit.

#7
ynuser
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Yeah cuz not even a single player is same from ascension winning squad

#21
tv0rusluke
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pulled off the biggest choke of all time

#3
SaltyGrades1
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ok but if you look at it none of them are actually the WORST team in their region lol...

#4
CaxTonYT
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apeks???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

#6
SaltyGrades1
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shit i forgot bout them. if you look at it none of the other 3 are
you still have the likes of furia, jdg and global lmaoo

#8
TentacleThing
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Global doesn't look all that bad anymore with their new changes

#9
wamaaan
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Boom looks way worse than any other team in APAC

#11
TentacleThing
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I'd argue Zeta looks worse but that's just a matter of opinion

#10
Kkduka
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Current GE is much better than many EMEA,CN teams.

#14
cohnr
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my shit is better than your shit type of comment

#15
Kkduka
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Well shit can also be bad, very bad and worst iykyk.

#5
Pengu12
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so whats ur fix

#12
Neonfreak
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Some of these aren't even right...XLG were the top team in their region before losing a player and I feel you can't blame their results after that on ascension...DRG are looking good in China as a playoff team. M8 and Nongshim are solidly middle of the pack in their region. G2 is the best team in their region. I wouldn't look at those results and say achieving things as an ascension team is imposslble and its a bad system

#17
tv0rusluke
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but staying in the middle of the pack is not gonna make them extend their stay so anything below champs qual would be considered 'bad performance' for the ascension teams

XLG case is different and we never saw their full potential because of important player change, but teams like 2G APEKS BOOM stand 0 chance at making playoffs and i would not even blame them, its the inherent pressure these players have to play under just so that they dont get relegated

#18
Neonfreak
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Do you want all Ascension teams to be in the playoffs? In real sports leagues like football, promoted teams rarely every end up in the top half or "playoffs."

#20
targuin
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Do you want all Ascension teams to be in the playoffs?

sorta? the average stay of an ascension team should be close to 2 years for the new system to be equal to the old

T2 orgs have (before the guaranteed stay was lowered to 1 year) complained that 2 years werent really enough for it to make sense financially. 1 year is a joke obviously.

#13
sw4gman
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ascension is prob just there to encourage t2 players to play for the team instead of playing to get poached by a tier1 tteam

#16
Marii2
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Mate XLG are 2-0 and did Terribly cuz they had a sub DRG do decent in the group stage every time M8 will get wins and 2G are improving

#19
LifeDiff
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2G is competitive now, and Apeks looking a bit better, and BOOM is also and ascension team

#22
Two_Percent
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Apeks looking a bit better

Bud that was kc looking a lot worse

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