Tenz is NOT a top 5 player OAT

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Look, I understand he’s popular but, tenz is objectively a maximum top 10 player oat. His team might have been shit, but his inability to consistently perform or play in intl tourneys for 2 years absolutely matter, especially if you hold it against Alfa/leo/nats/chronicle/yay/even Aspas at Toronto.

Also, tenz is THE FOURTH best player of 2021. Chronicle and nats were better than him for obvious reasons, but so is CNed. Tenz peaked at Reykjavik, the least important event of the year. His Berlin performance wasn’t actually great either, he just farmed f4q, boosting his stats tremendously and struggled at champs. Cned was better than him at both champion and masters Berlin > Reykjavik.

He was also max top 10 in 2024; Zekken, meteor, texture, Aspas, Leo, arguably derke and Karon, KK and Chichoo are all arguably better than him that year.

You can’t be top 5 oat if you were top 4 in the first year of vct, then disappeared for 2 years and then were top 10.

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He’s definitely top 10, but his peak was in the least impressive era of valorant. That definitely brings down his overall performance.

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yes hes overrated because of the sen fanbase and 2 trophies (one was a mickey and the other a fluke)

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I think he’s overrated more so because of his stats at Reykjavik despite people not putting those stats in context and because he’s extremely popular. He’s also extremely overhated by a different group of valorant fans, and extremely overrated by another group.

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i dont put him that high because he was abusing one of the most broken agents of the game in a dinosaur era

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Uncleben

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He did also still prove himself again 2 years later on omen (one of the harder smokes) and kay0 (one of the hardest agents in pro play) the second he actually got a half decent team around him. So I’d definitely put him top 10 but definitely not top 5.

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thats not enough for me he around 13th at best

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who you put above him? Who do you have 9-12th?

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omen, notably also one of the most broken agents in the game, as we have been learning all the way from Astra meta until RIGHT NOW.

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not only that he was fourth best while abusing the most broken agent of all time that pre nerfed jett

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zenarcl

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Fr alfajer oat >>> tenz oat

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Uncleben

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I personally have Leo, Alfa, derke, Aspas, less, and chronicle over him all time. There’s decent arguments for mako and nats too.

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mako is insane

and having less and not sacy has to be a crime

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I agree but people who put him outside of the top 10 are also wrong.

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Uncleben

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Definitely. He’s undeniably a top 10 player OAT.

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tenz is minimum top 7

also 4th best of 2021 is laughable to say the least

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Uncleben

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Id prolly have him 7th or 8th personally. I have Leo, Aspas, derke, Alfajer, chronicle, and less above him for sure. There is a decent argument for nats (depending on how much you value trophies), but I’d have tenz 7th or 8th depending on where you put nats.

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jawn

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nats and less above him is objectively wrong, leo is debatable

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Uncleben

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Leo is not even close to debatable. Leo with a shit team 2022 and kind of 2024 played so much better than tenz in 2022 and 2023 that it’s honestly laughable to even compare them. He was also the best player across a year, something tenz never achieved. Also, his prime year is much more recent than tenz’s prime year. Having a prime in 2023-early 2024, is more impressive than in 2021, the plumber era

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jawn

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Leo with a shit team 2022

let's compare sayf and trexx to kanpeki,rawkus,shroud and zombs

Also, his prime year is much more recent than tenz’s prime year

this is also an invalid argument, recency bias has no place in all-time lists

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How is that an invalid argument. More recent years = higher level of competitive valorant, more competition due to better players as well (teams with players like prime loud, prime optic, prime prx, prime fox, prime fnatic as opposed to acend/old kru/old liquid/old fnatic). Performing in recent years will always trump farming in the plumber era wher zombs was once considered the best smokes player itw.

And tenz struggled with Zekken, marved, pancada, and sacy. Guild had yacine and koldamenta and Russ (before you bring up dephh).

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because if we take it into account then old players will constantly just get cycled out, if we use your logic then meteor the senti goat and karon the controller goat

And tenz struggled with Zekken, marved, pancada, and sacy

you didn't get the point, you're comparing dysfunctional sen rosters with guild rosters that made internationals, guild was NOT bad

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Meteor and Karon having peaks in 2024 does indeed help them, but they don’t surpass less and mako because less and mako were also good in 2023/2024 and were good in 2022 as well. Consistency is most important, but peaking at more competitive eras in valorant is more valuable. For an example, if less only played good in 2022, and meteor only played good in 2024, meteor > less oat.

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jawn

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less only played good in 2022-2023 and meteor on 2024-2025, meteor is better according to the listed logic

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Less’s peak was top 10-top 5 in 2022-2023. He also played unbelievable in 2024’s first third and 2025 hasn’t ended. Also, I personally don’t have meteor top 10 2023, he was extremely overrated in Bangkok and kickoff, I had buzz and izu above him. He was top 10 in 2024 though. Because of that, I have him lower.

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Also nats above him could be wrong, but less was arguably top 5 in 2022-2023 and top 1 in the first third of 2024. He was more consistent than tenz and had a prime in a more competitive era of valorant. He hasn’t had a 2 year slump like tenz ever.

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jawn

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tenz didn't have a 2 year slump, sentinels did, this was proven last year when he got a decent team and instantly became world class

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Uncleben

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You can’t speculate on how tenz would have played if he had a good team. What we did see was inconsistency n a regional level in 2022, and straight up struggling in 2023. That impacts the legacy of any player and tenz is no exception just because he redeemed himself.

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That impacts the legacy of any player and tenz is no exception just because he redeemed himself.

it does impact his legacy, if we removed those years he becomes top 2

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Being too 4 on year and top 10 another year makes him top 2? Chronicle was top 2 in 2021, top 10 in 2023, and arguably top 10 this year too. Derke has been top 10 bare minimum every year in valorant. Aspas was top 10 in 2022, top 5 in 23, top 5 in 24. Alfajer was top 2 in 2023, top 10 this year. He still wouldn’t be top 2.

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jawn

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record holder with 2 trophies on 2 different rosters on different roles without falling off, your corny ass " he was top 2 and top 10" is not an objective truth

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Meteor has more recent trophies than tenz and beat better competition to get them. Guess he’s number 1 then? What about chronicle? You have him number 1? Lmfao stop being salty bud none of this shit objective. You still haven’t actually been able to argue why he’s better individually than any of these players other than speculate “🤓☝️ ERM iF hIs tEaM wAs gOoD hE wOuLd bEaT eVeRyoNe!!!”

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how is it laughable? he definitely wasn't better than cned, nats or chronicle

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facts

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he definitely was better than chronicle and cned, i'd argue yay was also over cned

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Uncleben

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What the fuck are you on about. Chronicle put up similar stats to nats in Berlin while mvping grand finals. He then proceeded to be the single best player at champions. Cned was better than tenz by a huge margin in champions, and was better at Berlin despite not farming f4q for stats twice. Also you forgot what happened to nv at champs.

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nats was the mvp
are you dumb
chron played insane in champs

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Uncleben

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Chronicle was nearly as good. I didn’t say he was mvp. It was undeniable he played nearly as good as nats and was definitely the grand finals mvp as well. You can rewatch the games if you want.

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Uncleben

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Also wdym laughable? Explain how’s he’s better than chronicle, cned, or nats.

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jawn

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reykjavik and berlin tenz remain as some of the highest peaks in valorant history, he also dominated regionally, cned is only here because his team won champs and chronicle because he was great on champs

nats is easily the best player of that year

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berlin t0nz just farmed f4q

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Uncleben

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Nats is definitely the best, but you need to rewatch Berlin because your forgetting how good chron played at Berlin. Tenz’s peak at Reykjavik is less impressive because masters 1 is automatically less impressive than later tourneys. Also, tenz only really played well in the first g2 match and first map vs NV. His stats were boosted by farming f4q (one of the worst teams at the tourney) twice.

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jawn

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Reykjavik is less impressive because masters 1 is automatically less impressive than later tourneys

no logical backing for this

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Uncleben

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Lots of logical backing. The first masters is the least impressive because teams get better as the year goes on, not to mention Reykjavik was smaller than Berlin or champs. A lot of teams and rosters that attended Reykjavik (nuturn, version1, sharks) didn’t make Berlin or champs or didn’t place high at them either.

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and a lot of teams that would go on to win later were not good enough to qual for iceland (acend,gambit)

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He is , tenz chronicle sacy are the only players who won multiple trophies in large difference of times and that is by far more valuable and prestigious than what the fnatic core have done and TenZ is by far the most impressive one

you guys are so braindead

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Uncleben

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Trophies isn’t the only thing that matters in a goat list when valorant is a 5v5 fps with abilities. To win, you need a good team with a good igl and a good understanding of the meta + good map pool. Your own individual skill is only a fraction of what it takes to win a trophy, which is why many avg players have won trophies across valorant history.

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What are u yappin about that just proved my point tenz played two completely different roles when he won both trophies and put up high numbers on both

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Meteor?

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''large difference of times''

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as the biggest sen hater, hes #4

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overrated by casual viewers, overhated by vlr users, Tenz is top 10, imo probably 7th

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t0nz shouoldnt even be top 10

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I don’t see how he’s anything higher than 7-8. No doubt the community poll was bombarded by sen fans

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Z9

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btw how was leo derke aspas karon meteor better than tenz 2024 ?
-Tenz destroy t3xture ,karon and meteor statswise both times they played

-Leo and Derke didn't even qualify for Madrid, in Shanghai was eliminated without a win and later Fnatic was also eliminated by Sen at champ

-aspas didn't even qualify for Madrid, in Shanghai was eliminated during groups