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Why nerfing Omen isn't a good idea

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#1
MrBlooBloom

He is one of the very few non-duelist agent that is fun to watch and to play and that is actually not terrible atm. Skye is fun but it's dogshit, clove is fun (is it even fun to watch?) but it's not good in pro play. Chamber is fun but it's barely picked, same for Gekko. Most init are fun to play imo, but no one is anywhere near Omen in terms of entertainment for the audience and average player. It's not the greatest argument and it doesn't prevent from small tweaks and nerfs, but please Rito don't kill one of the few well thought out and designed agents in the game.
What they should do for now is pbb just delete one tp, make it more costly, then buff other controllers (Astra+Harbor) and see how things go afterwise

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NotaSenFan27
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tenz

#3
MrBlooBloom
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Basically yeah

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Two_Percent
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82% pick rate…

Also paranoias op and has no counterplay

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MrBlooBloom
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How does that counter anything that I said?

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Two_Percent
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I didn’t read any of what you said

He had an 82% pick rate at Toronto, and his paranoia is the most op flash/ability in the game

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Blue_Iced_Tea
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I didn’t read any of what you said

🔥💀

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Two_Percent
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people are downvoting me like what I said was wrong

I'm not about to read some french guy ranting on why he thinks omen doesnt need changes like he is john riot

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CinnamonStew34s
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paranoia speed btw

#33
vyvid
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why would anyone wanna read what op says when their nonsense reads like a stream of consciousness instagram story a neurodivergent kid with no understanding of game design made on a whim

#31
fungame024
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just don't get hit lol

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one_question_acc
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that would be a good idea, if it did not have the most inconsistent hitbox ever

#41
fungame024
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you can literally see it and hear it i dont see why doding it is a hard thing to do

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Hyxagon
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it’s not that he’s overpowered, he’s just too flexible
other controllers are too niche and barley picked
if it’s not an astra map, brim map, or viper map, then it’s an omen map
the best way to make other controllers more viable is to buff other controllers and rework omen to make him less flexible and more niche

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Two_Percent
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Best analysis of omen so far

Even worse, omen is getting play (and looking good) on traditionally non omen maps and 50/50 astra omen maps like icebox and split

#14
nhimz2k6
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somehow he’s getting buffed by making his smokes silent to enemy? wtf riot

#17
Goldmar
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isnt that just a standardisation across smoke abilities

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Two_Percent
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theyre buffing him slightly to make him standard, then they will turbo nerf him

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Yistyy
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Also it will kill ranked. No one will play controller besides clove.

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serot
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solution is just to hard rework clove and reyna but riot has never done a full scale ability overhaul ever

#9
SudokuDude
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They nerfed Yoru after seeing him being picked a lot. Pretty sure they'll do the same with Omen. At least we won't be back with that dreadful Viper Astra comp in 2021. Lord that was annoying.

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I just hate how Riot cannot just launch balanced agents at all, it's like they don't play their own games.
Like how Tejo went from the most pick agent to almost not picked at all.
Even if I don't feel like Omen will go through the same path, I'm not confident with how Riot makes those changes. I wouldn't be surprised if they nerfed him as much as they did with Tejo

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Two_Percent
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Over 50% of the agents are literally completely fine in pro and comp, it used to be a lot worse and it is only getting better

Riot knows what they’re doing

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pamonya
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I'm talking about the rest 50%, I wish they were in the same state as Omen is right now

#13
MerkFreeks
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Omen don't need a nerf, most maps are 50/50 with Omen v Astra and thats ultimately a pro team preference call. Just buff Harbor and Brim to be competitive beyond Bind

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Effluxi
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Omen needs a nerf. Astra is the measuring stick, not Brim and Harbor, and widely considered to be balanced now.

I've repeated this like a hundred times today. Nerf his smokes back to pre-astra meta + maybe 5s cooldown and make his paranoia less good reactively by making it work like breach's fault line.

Then you can buff the other controllers and his smokes have actual downsides in deploy time at ranges that make you consider the other options at times.

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nerfing his smokes will literally make it the astra meta again, that buff was the best thing that happened to the controller class, that shit used to take ages and was very annoying at times. I'm guessing you didn't play during that time if you think thats a good idea.

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Effluxi
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We're not balancing off "feels" bro. Ain't nobody care if it's annoying when the alternative is the agent being the only thing worth picking. Do you have a real reason or is that it?

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serot
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Clearly not a 50/50 between them with 80+ % pickrate on omen. This is actually a horrendous take. If the majority of teams "prefer" omen, maybe omen is actually just better than every single controller atm?? Astra is by no means in a bad state balance wise, but omen is picked over her nearly every single time with few exceptions.

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Cheasle2
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You can nerf him without making him less fun... he doesn't need to be too strong to be fun to play/watch.
If they dial down paranoia he will be in a much better spot

#23
serot
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Hard agree
Omen is by no means unplayable with 1 or 2 nerfs yet people keep overreacting like reworking the TP or nerfing the smoke timers so he can't cycle one ways seamlessly is the death of the character.

#27
Cheasle2
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exactly. I honestly think they can leave his tp as it is and work on the rest of his kit, he'll still be fun that way.

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Shadrach
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The only thing that can counter the 80% pick rate is to buff other agent... no there will be no double controller meta as long as the other that get buff get to omen level..

Like bring back original astra level buff...

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Effluxi
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so true bro bring back launch Astra im sure we'll not just get Omen + Astra comps literally everywhere

like come on bro stfu actually use your brain.

#38
Emperous
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Legit 2 braincell thinking.
"If everything is broken, nothing is broken" type shi

#28
derp64
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Skye is fun?

#30
SuperRoss
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i disagree

#32
Jayde
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...he does need to be nerfed, i dont even mind his tps so much but paranoia is disgustingly strong

#35
1One1
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Nerf to 1 specific utility like Paranoia will kill the agent
Riot should smaaaall nerf all utilities
Shrouded step: Max. Cast distance from 15m to 13m, equip time from 0.5s to 0.8s, equip time from 0.7s to 1s
Paranoia: unequip time from 0.7s to 1s, Orb velocity from 16m/s to 14m/s, 32.5m travel length to 28m travel length
Dark cover: Max deploy distance from 80m to 70m
From the shadow from 7 to 8 point

#36
jixk
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you guys notice how it took 3 seasons of a omen meta for just to give a shit(i think content creators are creating fake problems for content) while we barely tolerated the astra viper meta its because omen is FUN to watch he encourages team fights and contesting map control retaking it etc etc taking back the spike instead of saving actual gun fights instead of who throwss the most util fights which astra makes 10x worse astra is fun to watch as a switch up or on her maps but having omen take the majority of maps is sm better for watching the game
any changes should be slight number changes to his smokes making astra's range more noticeable nerf his smoke travel time to make astra's inssta smokesbetter etc etc

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Ghastly_GG
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i think the paranoia can be nerfed slightly (but i don't know how), his tps are fine
but more importantly, just buff astra, brim, and clove

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