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omen nerfs

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#1
SuperRoss

omen too strong

  • 1 tp that costs 300
  • slower flash
  • ult can't pick up stuff
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ynuser
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Flair

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SuperRoss
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flair

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Frogger0_0
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flair

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NRGSUPERFAN
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flair

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Mingu
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flair

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Scammer_Cat
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flair

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fungame024
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fl00r

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_MythoS
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flair

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fungame024
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flair

#53
31Raven
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flare

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w1atrak
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Make flash narower and bring back it gaining player's momentum
That's all

#8
SuperRoss
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it still goes faster with your momentum

#18
fr0ster0p
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no they removed that momentum flash this year i think

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Frogger0_0
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that would kill omen

#10
SuperRoss
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it wouldn't, it'd make it fall in line with other controllers given time

#12
catNmouse
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they should buff the other controllers instead, the entire role is just lacking right now

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SuperRoss
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no that would make the meta shift heavily towards smokes.

omen is too strong.

#44
MrBlooBloom
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But the other controllers are just shit outside of viper. Why would I even play Astra outside of pearl? She's not good, her util has no impact 90% of the time and bigger smokes aren't useful most of the time. Why would I play harbor when he can literally do nothing but bad smokes and nerf yourself. Clove is a ranked agent so fair play and brim is a niche pick which I'm ok with. But please buffs the other controllers they're just bad. (And yeah slightly nerf omen like -1 tp and stop picking up things w ult + worse fov with ult). Sure Omen is good at too many things, but that's only because other controllers are bad at everything

#11
Aminbg02
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BOO

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SuperRoss
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jumpscare

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Aminbg02
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didnt mean too super ross,i appolgise

#20
SuperRoss
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scared the shit out of me

#17
Effluxi
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get him off the team

#28
SuperRoss
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if he can't fix his aim he should be coaching

#16
Effluxi
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TP and ult are fine

Paranoia needs a breach charge up so you can't reactively use it at max range, and it probably also needs less duration at the sides.

His smokes also need something again. They're the most recharging AND the most flexible and best handling. They need their old pre-astra worse projectile speed and so worse deploy time at range back at a minimum and may also need a recharge nerf, 30s is too strong when Brim has no recharge, Clove has 40 and Astra has a scarce resource mechanic.

#22
derp64
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Paranoia charge up sounds good, so does recharge nerf. Smoke orb deploy sounds unnecessary though.

#34
Effluxi
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It's basically just because his downside compared to Brim and Astra was originally supposed to be cross-map deploy time. But they made Astra's stun and suck way too powerful and recharge too fast so she took over. And then for some reason they thought Omen's smokes were the problem??? Early val balancing was a fucking mess tbh.

#19
NoOne_ButMe
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or maybe just buff brim and clove?

#27
Effluxi
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You need to do both, can't just buff or we'll get double dome smokes meta and Omen will still be everywhere

#29
SuperRoss
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exactly

#33
sawrice
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I think it has more to do with the fact that omen smokes are just duper versatile atm and its very easy to use his smokes and place them correctly. If we had the same smoke placing mechanic for astra or brim it would be better. Also omen being the aggressive “semi entry” controller is unique to his kit and should not be nerfed. Omen is in the game for a reason right. Surely if riot thought his half entry role was problematic they wouldve nerfed that part of his kit in the last 5 years

#37
Effluxi
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The entry part isn't the issue and is great for fun and viewership. The problem is his smokes got buffed to minimize his deploy time weakness when Astra's stun and suck were completely fucking broken despite his smokes already being better than Astra's even at that time. That and paranoia is the best ability in the game that can also be used reactively with little counterplay.

#41
sawrice
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True and to that I say play better together. Omen paranoia is undoubtedly a very very powerful ability. As a matter of fact I wouldnt mind them increasing its price to 350/400 credits to align it with more powerful abilities like sova drone. But changing how his kit works is nit the right call. 35 seconds between smokes is fair as you can get a maximum of 3 extra smokes in a round before you plant. In that regard I’d say hell give brimstone and clove 4 smokes each and two can recharge in 40 s or soemthing to give them that smoke flexibility. Atm omen is in a perfect place and the other controllers need to be drastically scaled up ti compete

#21
derp64
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I'm all for an Omen nerf but I feel like nerfing him will just make smoke players have a worse time playing him instead of switching to other smokes. He will become like 2024 Jett, when every pro knows she's lacking behind other duelists but they're so used to her mechanics that they don't want/need to switch.

#24
SuperRoss
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they'll get around to using other smokers too, especially astra

or they'll be left behind

#23
CleetusJuniorFourth
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Please stop with the omen nerf and buff other controllers! Omen and clove are the most fun controllers to play, and others are just womp womp unless it's a specific map.

I suggest to make clove viable for pro play somehow, rework harbor, this agent is carrying water bottles since the release, and we are not seeing brim unless it's fracture/bind

viper is a sentinel at this point and needs a second controller, unless it's icebox

and astra is very good, but not fun, man sitting there putting stars, getting them back, doing walls, it all gets tedious

#26
SuperRoss
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some of the other controllers need buffs, but if omen isn't nerfed any buff to the others will be meaningless

#32
derp64
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It's unfortunate how wall smokes are so gimmicky.

#39
Effluxi
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They're not naturally gimmicky, it's just the only instances of them are Viper's locked sentinel-style one and then two stuck on Pheonix and Harbor.

#25
sawrice
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I disagree. Omen’s skill ceiling is high and his floor is quite low. Good agents should have this difference so that as you improve the depth of your gameplay also inproves

#35
SuperRoss
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the ceiling is too high compared to the others and no amount of buffs alone is gonna change that.

  • omen can tp too quickly and too often too silently
  • his flash is needlessly wide, quick and long lasting
  • his ult doesn't need to pick up spike to be useful

the problem is that playing any other dome smoker on almost all maps is almost throwing,
only buffing the others to bring them to its level would ruin the meta as well.

#38
sawrice
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The point remains is that granted paranoia is strong, you cant dodge it but you can anti strat it if youre in vct and you can expect it in your ranked games. If yk enrmy omen is throwing paranoia at logs and tping to under platform on haven C site. Play platform with your setup, shift your setup, make an adjustment. Its not like your running into the same brick wall for 13 rounds straight. You can tell how an enemy omen plays after the first few rounds after which you can easily expect what kinds of plays hell try to pull off and catch him off guard then. Its all about thinking as you play more than oh his abilities are broken. When youre in a 3v1 against a lone omen and you head him tp what do you do first? I hope to god it isnt peek omen because thats wrong. At the end of the day a suitable change would to give brim, clove and astra more playability when it comes to smokes by aligning their kit to fit the power level and attention to detail that omen’s kit requires. Harbor is so piss poor right now, viper’s wall lasts less time than clove smokes, clove and brim have range limitations and astra requires a little more team coordinstion. Aligning them to be slightly more individualistic can bring their pickrates up to omen levels

#31
butterdog_dogwithdabutter
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fuck the pacers, fuck trey young, yo fuck yall who think omen needs a nerf everybody shut the fuck up

#36
SuperRoss
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hali doesn't get injured and pacers win game 7

just saying

#42
foreva
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if omen so good why is clove the 2nd pick in most ranks?

https://x.com/VALORANTLeaksEN/status/1939302891753193478

#43
bombarillo
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because she's really self sustainable with her heal and ulti , she's a very good soloq agent but in terms of vct not so much. Omen is much better at a vct level

#49
SuperRoss
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because ranked retards don't pick the best agents

they play reyna, jett, iso, sage and clove

#45
sw4gman
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idc even if omen has a 100% pickrate, i dont want to see cl0v0 or fatstone

#47
Astar
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only the first point is enough. the third one would literally kill omen

#50
SuperRoss
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it wouldn't his ult would still be useful enough

#48
Agx192
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Flash is faster but doesn't go as far

#52
fungame024
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increase width but decrease range of paranoia

#54
SuperRoss
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someone said to make it more similar to breach stun and it's not a bad idea

def needs a nerf either way

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