Leo is overrated

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sentinelmain377

Stop putting him #1-#4 in all time player rankings. so overrated.

Yes, he is the initiator GOAT. Yes, he is the best player to have on a team. Yes, he is every coach's dream. However, Chron, Derke, Alfajer, Aspas, and maybe nAts clear him all time success/results. Yes, he is the #1 player you want to have on a team, but for all time player rankings, he needs to play more to go higher up in them.

Also all this Leo glaze from the average Valorant-watching NPC comes from this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMMh22ikCI8 (be honest).

my top 20 all time:

Chronicle
Derke
Alfajer
Aspas
nAts
Leo
Yay
TenZ
Less
Meteor
MaKo
Boaster
Sacy
F0rsaken
cNed
Saadhak
t3xture
Zmjjkk
BuZz
Jawgemo

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NRGSUPERFAN

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ethan clears leo

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Two_Percent

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couldve named any other player 🥀🥀

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mulyondoindon

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he's still a contender. But he needs to comeback to reclaim his position

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delighted

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invy clears leo

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ctabust

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bro slid t0nz into the top 15 and thought we wouldnt notice

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Yistyy

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2 times master winner isnt top 15?

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cerefes

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the tenz hate is so forced, 2x masters winner, 1x masters mvp, all time acs record

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sentinelmain377

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I could see him not being in top 15 though since what you said is all TenZ has.

bro disappeared for the entirety of 2022-2023 and in the middle of 2024

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didn't win anything but his stats weren't even that bad in that period, could see tenz dropping a few slots but still remains at least no 14 or 15

and if we're taking their lowest lows into account, what is yay doing on this list, obv yays one of the goats and def deserves a spot in this list, but if u do it that way he wont be making any top 15s

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sentinelmain377

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yay was a top 5-8 player in 2021 and #1 player of 2022

that easily puts him in top 15

meanwhile, TenZ was around #4 best player of 2021 (after nAts, Chron, cNed) and around top 7-10 in 2024.

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Yistyy

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With that logic then remove sacy. TenZ in 2024 was better than sacy ever was.

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to link "overrated" with leo is like when ur a baby, ur head got stuck IN the door

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uwukitten

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s0cy above yay... completely delusional
oh yeah s0cy is above meteor too, the sacy propaganda has to be studied

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teilwal

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derke #2 just proves you dont know ball

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sentinelmain377

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derke > aspas and alfa

DERKE:

Derke has qualified/attended 11/14 VCT International Events (tied for the most international appearances)
- Reykjavik 2021, Champs Berlin 2021, Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, Istanbul 2022, Sao Paulo 2023, Tokyo 2023, Los Angeles 2023, Shanghai 2024, Seoul 2024, Bangkok 2025
Derke has always placed top 8 teams in every tournament:
2nd, 5th-8th, 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 4th
- top 8 placements: 10/10
- top 4 placements: 6/10
- top 2 placements: 3/10 (3 Grand Finals)
- top 1 placements: 2/10 (2 Trophies)
Best Stats:
- 1.06 (#14), 1.28 (#1), 1.09 (#18), 1.22 (#4), 1.13 (#10 | min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.08 (#15), 1.04 (#29), 258.5 ACS (#1 | China so no ratings), 1.22 (#2), 1.18 (#4)
- Derke: top 10 stats for 6 tournaments
- Derke: top 20 stats in 9 tournaments
Top 20 Players of every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/ (very agreeable list)
- ~#6 player of 2021
- ~#6 player of 2022
- ~#5 player of 2023
- ~#8 player of 2024
- ~#7-#12 player of 2025 already due to insane (like INSANEEEE) performance in the first third of 2025

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ASPAS:

Aspas has qualified/attended 9/14 VCT International Events
- Reykjavik 2022, Copenhagen 2022, Istanbul 2022, Sao Paulo 2023, Tokyo 2023, Los Angeles 2023, Shanghai 2024, Seoul 2024, Toronto 2025
Aspas placements:
- 2nd, 11th-12th, 1st, 2nd, 7th-8th, 3rd, 9th-10th, 3rd, 11th-12th
- top 8 placements: 6/9
- top 4 placements: 5/9
- top 2 placements: 3/10 (3 Grand Finals)
- top 1 placements: 1/10 (1 Trophy)
Aspas stats:
- 1.18 (#4), 1.04 (#25), 0.99 (#39), 1.11 (#13 | min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.11 (#10), 1.15 (#8), 237.8 ACS (#6 | China so no ratings), 1.14 (#11), 0.53 (#59)
- Aspas: top 10 stats for 4 tournaments
- Aspas: top 20 stats for 6 tournaments
Top 20 Players of every year: https://www.vlr.gg/371303/top-20-players-vlr-edition/ (very agreeable list)
- #7 player of 2022
- #4 player of 2023
- #5 player of 2024
- ~#16-#20 player of 2025 so far

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teilwal

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2/8

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Two_Percent

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saadhak invented metas and pioneered the game, forgetting him is crazy

he perfected ascent in 2022, he pioneered harbor in 2023, he predicted neon meta at tokyo, he was the only one to antistrat and beat fnc 2023 lotus, he predicted dbl initi smokes no senti during early 2024 (this one will come to fruition trust me), he is pioneering harbor yoru

not all of your works are immediate masterpieces when you are a visionary

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n1zf

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Derke #2 LMAO. NO ZEKKEN LMAO

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Derkebetter

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derke>zekken tf u mean? not even close my son

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Yistyy

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Demon1 and zekken should be top 20

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sentinelmain377

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both are in 21-30 with people like Shao, Suygetsu, Crashies, Marved, Stax, etc

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Yuh_aye

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Nats wasn't even liquid's best player in 2023 (sayf) and hasn't been in 2025 (keiko) but yall not ready for that convo yet

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De-addy

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how dumb one can be saying sayf was better

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sentinelmain377

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sayf was better u recency biased fuck

Sayf was basically the EMEA goat from 2021-2024 (played Duelist, Flex, and Sentinel). All of a sudden when he decided to be IGL and started putting lower numbers, he was "never good"

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uwukitten

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nats was ass for the majority of regular season, they wouldn't have even made tokyo/champs without sayf

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iplayval

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I didnt see your personal list but its cool to see real humans and not parrots on here. I think its mainly because of that video and streamers like sliggy calling him the perfect player. He’s definitely very very good but like … come on ..

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proud_bandwagoners

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sentinelmain377

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stick to being an NPC

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1/8

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Tempest24

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vlr was just starting to have better baits and then we drop ts

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ynuser

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Sacy aspas way too low, where is Pancada and Boaster is there but no Saadhak 🫵🙂👓🤏

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sentinelmain377

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saadhak has been added to 20.

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sanknight

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lame lukewarm take can vlr users get creative

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goatsterfnc

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ASSpas sneak

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Marii

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Sacy and nats above yay 🙂‍↕️

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sacy clears leo

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Red2TPower

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where is Mitch and xeppaa?

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Dam1aN

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Shut the fuck up moron. Dont dare dissing my goat, he is the only reason shitmea had 2 trophies after vct franchise. He went mvp while having illness. 🤬🤬🤬

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Jayde

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Derke has not done shit outside fnc

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sentinelmain377

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bro forgot about Bangkok and we are still in 2025
I would fully agree with you, but after watching the Vitality games in bangkok, I cant. He was insane

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Effluxi

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more of the bangkok teams did bad in Stage 1 than didn't, including the winners.

I think we need to face that success in kickoff and masters 1 isn't really indicative of stable power level going forward.

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sentinelmain377

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yes I agree with you.
but you cant say yet that Derke hasnt done shit outside of FNC when he has only been out of FNATIC for 2 vct stages (Kickoff 2025, Stage 1 2025).
also now Trexx being toxic led to botality falling off, so Derke cant do much else in 2025

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My man could’ve put any APAC player in the top 10 like f0rsakeN, MaKo, Jinggg or s3xture and he puts Meteor💀💀💀

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sawrice

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2 trophies > 1 esp after he literally carries T1 to a trophy win

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Masters Bangkok mvp

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naw meteor > every asian player of all time. not only 2 trophies but he has the stats to back it up. literally duelist acs on sentinel

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CatEffect2

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Alfajer > Derke

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Dhrom49

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Leo glaze = Nostalgia

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cNed sneak nt

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yay,sacy,meteor,mako over tenz lol