I blame kaplan

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A1pha1

Some rough and inconsistent performances from the players but how tf did we end up in a veto with Ascent and Icebox in this map pool? With what mind did you guys ban Haven? And why tf zekken is playing waylay and omen on jett maps when clearly he is the carry?
Split comp sucks, Ascent comp sucks with no tejo and zekken on the worst agent in the game, Icebox comp sucks only because of zekken omen.
Players worked for 1 month scrimming every day and this is the stuff you are trying to implement? Deeply disappointed honestly, this roster should win championships and so far lost 3 grand finals, bombed out of 2 tournaments and 1 meh masters(I am including off season too btw)

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"why tf zekken is playing waylay and omen on jett maps when clearly he is the carry" one of the biggest mistakes

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Maybe because he was not that great on jett and also in icebox they've been losing with jett comp so they wanted to try this
Although still zak on jett would have putup a fight

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A1pha1

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Watch the last few games he had on jett.
Highest rated player on Icebox vs KRU, even tho he had a bad to average Lotus
Carried on Ascent vs C9
Good defense halves but bad attack halves on Ascent against G2

His Jett this year is one of his best agents, he has 1.25 rating all year long and Kap said "Nah lets play Omen and lets put john to useless agents like kayo and skye and see what happens"

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wtf U mean put John to useless agents???

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do u think sen would’ve won split or haven ?

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For sure better odds than ascent and icebox where zekken is playing omen

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The games would of been closer, PRX just played perfect Split + won a lot of clutches. The score shouldnt make them think they are dogshit at it.

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A1pha1

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I dont think they win Split but they wouldve had better try at Haven compared to Icebox. They dont know how to defend on Icebox, period

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haven? probably. if fnatic kept their comp alfajer has been very weak on the iso this tourney

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they played bad the comp is good

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Yeah Kaplan timeouta also didn't do much this event

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not kaplan's fault these bums hit a minor roadblock and suddenly lose all cohesion and teamplay

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Ahnri

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You must love kaplan huh

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you must love shit teams huh

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Ahnri

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Madrid MVP, Masters winning igl, One of the best players of emea 2024, One of the best anchors in amer, and a solid flex. They're clearly not shit players. If the make a shit team and the coach manages and shapes said shit team... the coach is probably....... you finish it

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was talking about your flair lol

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Ahnri

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Chill on NS. They're the least fraudulent Ascention team. XLG go on a run then Flop Boom pop off then flop. At least NS is consistent. Consistently can't beat talon...

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you could have just said shit bro

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Ahnri

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ight man. You'll see

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Lmfao that guy is a narrate word

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Arssarr

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a team full of good or great players doesn't equal win (look at vitality) cohesion and vibes and understading how the people in the team play are way better for a team in the long run instead of 5 "Superstars"

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Think you missed my point

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Idk why they’re forcing zekken on omen like bro does not know what hes doing on the map..

They should let bang on omen, viper johnqt, and let zekken play duelist or kayo. Omen is one of the more complicated smokers with the tps and stuff and letting someone thats not used to play smokes on omen is just horrible. At that point brim is better..

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that kayo pull is coming straight from the ass what, the ascent comp is 100% troll but as for icebox, their comp is good, it worked well back in americas as well they just got unlucky in icebox, alfajer was shooting like fking crazy and obv kaajak was doing kaajak things

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what, no, they played icebox with zekken on omen literally one time in americas, barely won 13-11 against g2 and then lost 9-13 against bilibili in toronto with zekken bottom-fragging both games. it was never "working well"

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HIS SPEECH WON THEM A TROPHY IN MADRID, DID YOU FORGET??

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A1pha1

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I am not saying he is a bad coach, I am just disappointed with these results considering how good he has been before and how good of a roster he has on his hand.

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?

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unfertile

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Yea that was sad, idk what they were thinking

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FNC are probably the best at haven and SEN are probably scared of split after the PRX game. Plus FNC are very good at split as well. The vetoes make sense

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people are afraid of fnc’s haven but in reality it’s one of their worst maps - just look at their last few games on it

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Ahnri

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They literally haven't won haven once in this tournament and have tons of footage of how they like to play?

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Zekken on Omen is really not a bad choice for the roles that SEN have, Omen has more value than Jett on Icebox while still allowing movement/risks

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A1pha1

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If he is uncomfortable they shouldnt force it, you can even know it from zekkens ranked games as well, he played Omen on Icebox on stream the other day and went 20/22 and played Jett the very next match and dropped 35 kills. Idk at some point you have to value comfortability higher

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Mfs in 2023 would never associate zekken to being comfortable on jett

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A1pha1

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This year he had good jett tho, its peobably due to him needing to take more risks compared to before and thats why his jett improved imo. He needs to take risks on this team because they somehow turned from one of the best macro and teamplay teams intk " Balls, lets brawl team"

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I mean, that's what narrate and bang are known for, no clue why go for either of them (specially narrate) if they weren't going to lean into that style instead of the tactical style with sacy and tenz

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I would say, just play the GenG comp (the one they played against g2 today). Put N4rrate on Omen, Zekken on Jett and done.

I cant quote it 100% but FNS said something along the lines of: "Zekken on Jett is most of the Times the Win factor of this Team, if you want to play this comp, put Omen on someone else" and i agree with him.