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shitmea vs americass

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#1
Hynix

so who's actually worse? i think americas is worse atp no?

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cameran
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yeah

#3
termtermtermterm
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apac clears both so who cares (except for TL WE are winning champs)

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shiftty
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TL vs 100T champ grand final i can see it now

#6
termtermtermterm
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boostio vs trexx who crashes out on stage first

#47
SudokuDude
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damn from -6 to +11. Second half clutch good shit

#20
delighted
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TL sneak

#22
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not like noodle slurpers are gonna do anything, other than get relegated KEKW

#23
delighted
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BOOM is getting relegated cuh not goatshim goatforce

#24
termtermtermterm
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you mean the team that went 5-0 in groups?

#25
delighted
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flukiest 5-0 ever keke

#26
termtermtermterm
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just like that ascension win with neon?

#27
delighted
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jett's pick rate is so low that aspas can't even get a positive rating on a map with it kekekekekek

#28
termtermtermterm
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what does that have to do with your team being fraudulent? common delighted fold

#29
delighted
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nah NS finally has a breakthrough and qualifies for champs as the 1st seed 🏆

#44
number1_Demon1_fan
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LMao, no. The crowd will be against them

#5
LocoMonteiro
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brother that question was answered at Toronto where EMEA eliminated all 3 Americas teams....come on

#8
OliverQueen_
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copium

#15
LocoMonteiro
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copium ≠ factual statement

#39
Effluxi
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the copium is that TL with nAts at Toronto totally cooks BLG and then groups SEN. FNC being better than every Amer team isn't cope given they beat them and came literally 2nd overall.

#52
Burger_brain
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facts are allergic to us americans i agree

#21
delighted
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not defending pissmericass here but wait for champs

#32
LocoMonteiro
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the post literally says "atp" and "atp" EMEA is better

#33
delighted
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I keep reading posts too fast lmao I didn't notice the atp 😭🙏💔🥀

#72
Maskwolf
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LOL Shitinels sneaked in with 3 China wins

#77
localkoolkid
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MIBR the THIRD BEST from the region got neg diffed, SEN are chinese farmers, and G2 are the modern day DRX.

And we have Ange1 so it is pretty clear who is better.

#7
targuin
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Sideshow had a nice spreadsheet for it

If you include pre fanchising EMEA still farms everyone
But post franchising its Americas >= Pacific >> EMEA > China in terms of average placements at internationals

#11
Two_Percent
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Pacific was really top heavy until this year, the good teams were really good and everyone else was terrible

Emea has been somewhat similar but the mid teams like fut end up beating pac and china

#9
rpowergso
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these teams dont go to any events (well except kru ig) and its offseason, its not like they are expected to be the best teams

#10
looola
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Americas is cooked, I am worried for the future of that region because excluding canezerra I dont see them produce talent on the level of EMEA and Asia, its just reclying the same players and bang average players who have been mid for years in t2

#13
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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NA maybe but not the rest of the region

#18
looola
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SA is even worse

#19
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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ydkb

#40
Effluxi
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KRU and MIBR look okay but they're unfortunately outmatched even in regionals by NA teams who also can't play.

G2 rid to Bangkok finals off having the best meta read and got beat by a pretty strong anti-meta read - Fair play, but not replicable. SEN farmed exclusively shitter CN teams in BLG XLG and a scared unconfident WOL who wasn't exploiting their mistakes, then IMMEDIATELY BOMBED. MIBR had the literal worst international performance in partnership.

AMER isn't doing shit this year, while all of APAC looks insane and EMEA/CN have 2-3 deep run win it all contenders.

#43
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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I was talking about the "producing talent" part obviously the tier 1 teams rn are ass

#45
Effluxi
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not even at that man

just bcz the EMEA orgs are trolling picking up talent from you instead of our own T2 scene doesn't mean we ain't got plenty more candidates

CyvOph looked like easily the best player on a team with S0yf, D0rke and L0ss for crying out loud. Plenty of talent bein wasted

#46
GarbanzoEnjoyer
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nah again I'm talking about #10 acting like the region doesn't have a future because it's not "producing talent" when we got lukxo, sato, dantedeus, neon, virtyy, and all of EXL

that's literally two full teams worth of very promising players, just from latam/br, who will be new to tier 1

lack of talent is not americas' problem

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Ahnri
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This year Flor, Verno, Mada, skuba, lukxo?
Future canzerra, ion2x, infiltrator, kess, reduxx, nightz low as of recent but was better than canezerra on rankers?
What are you talking about lol.

#17
looola
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not bad but not that impressive compared to Asia and EMEA

#36
Ahnri
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Emea??? Kaajak, Lewn, Comeback, Xeus, CyvOph, Loita, maybe Lar0k if you wanna stretch who else?

Apac? Freeing… for like only kickoffs… hyunmin, tenten, ash, patman, dos9, hard maybe on Killua and current tier 2 prospects? What Wayne??? I mean I’ll even give you miNt miko suzu and Moco because I feel they’re underrated and belong is tier 2 bare minimum. Even still neither come close to the prospects that are coming from or have come from Americas.

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looola
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You clearly have no clue about EMEA outside the usual suspects, just look at how many rookies are showing huge potential in t1 these last 2 years, the league is nearly 80% rookies or players on their second year lol. Heretics last year full rookies except Boo, chiwa (didnt play yet but u will see), sociablee, profek, sayonara and gsr (two generational talents), westside, veqaj and proxh look promising, kamo/keiko both on their second year, hiro, avez, marteen (shit duelist but good player), monster will show his potential from KOI, Olizera, globex, zachkappa, any of the KC, KOI and Liquid academies specially Sevire, jas from EP is pretty good, kozzy, etc... I wont name more because the list is long but its a good thing that EMEA teams have been promoting t2 young talent these last 2 years and nearly all of them have performed and leveled up the league, also you cant compare kaajak, comeback, xeus, gsr or sayonara to those some of the players u named, for a start EMEA has 2 generational initiator talents like GSR and Sayonara while NA can only produce reduxx, canezerra, ion or nightz who realistically cant even compare to kaajak, xeus or comeback

#51
Ahnri
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Im very aware of emea lol these are not prospects... these are just players that are likely to be good in tier 1... I'm talking people that will be genuine talents putting up incredible numbers even in Tier 1 and on international stages... you're also mentioning players from last year like marteen and hiro lol? Which sure we can go there two. One of the best players from EMEA in 2024 N4RRATE came from NA... if your counting benjy of a rookie then Johnqt? Literally won the first ever international he went too... Oxy??? one of the best duelist in the game currently regardless of achievements. NONE of these players not even Kajaak has managed to be as dominant as N4RRATE was at the beginning of 2024 especially on a international stage like madrid. Canezerra can more than compare to them lol. There has been no player not a single person as dominant as him in any tier 2 scene. I'd go as far as saying you could put aspas derke or zekken in tier 2 and they still wouldn't be able to replicate the dominance hes shown. Ion isn't a duelist so that comparison makes no sense. Flor literally went to EMEA on the worst team and still put up better performances than Xeus. Mada has looked on par if not better than zeus. you mention two "generational initiator talents" who are unproven when Verno has been one of the best players so far this entire year... and is a literal proven generational initiator talent. Again a lot of the names you mention like sevire, jas???? lol?, Gsr, are not nearly as consistently dominant or have been. To be compared to people like verno mada canezerra ion flor or infiltrator and im being strict with this list of players I've named so far havent even mentioned dodonut or penny or sato or okeanos vora pa1nt mixted v1c neon ghoul3 virtyy and many more

#12
grisx23
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I think its pretty even right now between them. Lets see Champ

#49
1One1
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Champ only have 4 teams from each region, tbh 8 teams who fail to qualify from america & emea are between mid to dogsh*t

#16
sideshowsbaldhead
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both are pretty equally dogshit atm

#34
SudokuDude
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NA had 2 teams making it to Toronto. MEMA was 1 team region once again. Either way, APAC the best region rn.

#41
Effluxi
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One, flair.

Two, we would literally be having the opposite conversation if nAts got his visa on time. SEN struggled against an unconfident scared WOL and then farmed the other CN trollers, one of which ALSO had a sub who couldn't comm to his duelist. Then they ate shit immediately upon facing real teams.

They could NOT have beaten TL instead of BLG. Literally the flukest placement of all flukes.

#55
sideshowsbaldhead
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if if if if
what if liquid had nats and lost anyway
what if sen beat liquid with nats
what if sen lost to liquid and beat prx then the whole event is cooked
what if patitek didn’t troll and then liquid won the whole event
do you see how delusional you start to sound when you cope about hypotheticals or are you so blinded by the “hurr durr nats visa” excuse that you genuinely believe it’s a good argument

#57
Burger_brain
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cuz Liquid with nats did perform way better?

#62
Effluxi
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Absolutely it's a good argument. You bang on about "if if if" as if these supposed "hypotheticals" aren't just the facts that

"TL played at a significantly higher level with nAts than without" (noway) - nearly beating PRX, who went on an undefeated uppers run from there

and

"SEN was playing at a much poorer level than expected" which was very apparent in their WOL game. They were making so many obviously exploitable mistakes, but WOL didn't pick up on them, and it was still close despite WOL not being even remotely in form yet.

It's not even cope, it's just analysis.

#64
sideshowsbaldhead
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sure but your whole argument still relies on IF nats was there and IF they beat blg then they would hypothetically beat sen and then emea best region
you can put an asterisk on this event if you like but that doesn’t change the fact that emea performed as badly as, if not worse than, americas

#35
sussybaka
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americass is worse, 100t did everything they could to carry the region, but is not enough

#37
SleepingSnorlax
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NA one team region

#42
TM06Nick
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Americas as a whole is probably worse than APAC and EMEA

#48
x_knowitall39_x
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As a whole yeah it’s better than EMEA. EMEA has a better best team atm though

#50
Effluxi
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how

M0BR = h0r0tics

TL > S0N even before the trexx move

FNC > G2

#54
x_knowitall39_x
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TL > s0n is cope that’s how

Bums couldn’t even qual to EWC or make it out of Swiss.

#56
Burger_brain
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EWC

Bro we aint serious now are we? </3

#58
x_knowitall39_x
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It’s the truth. They were embarrassed by KC and BBL.

#59
Burger_brain
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We taking ewww c as an actual event <?3

#67
x_knowitall39_x
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Riot propaganda has rotted you if you think every event that isn’t hosted by them is gonna be considered nothing

#69
Burger_brain
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u wont see Riot or any other esports doing 1000 bo1s a day dawg </3

#70
x_knowitall39_x
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Val’s biggest competitor does bo1 in their most
prestigous event bro

it’s cope

#73
Burger_brain
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if ur talking about CS, then its cuz they have 32 teams that have to go through SWISS format for all of em which is a time taking and thats why they had to make some of the initial stages of swiss bo1 and later stages of swiss b03s. but here its just 16 teams with 1000 bo1s in a single day

#60
Effluxi
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KC and BBL are decent but also lol Bo1 qualifiers

#66
x_knowitall39_x
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They lost bo5 the fuck you mean bo1 quals

#63
waseetali9
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they literally played back to back events in stage 1 playoffs and ewc qualifer
like they had no time to fking prep for toronto and ewc qualifer
while kc bums were sitting on their asses and had a lot of prep time

#65
x_knowitall39_x
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Prx played quals, made it, and then won Toronto. keep coping. TL just weren’t good enough

#68
waseetali9
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bro prx had more timeeee
emea stage 1 playoff ended on 18 may
they played quals on 23 may

while for prx
stage 1 ended in may 11
they played qual in 23 may
6 days to prep and whole fking 11 days to prep
see the fking difference

#53
Burger_brain
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#50 is facts and i agree.

#61
-Artorias
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both dogshit but americas a bit better than memea

#71
BREQKERRRRRR
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I swear you are the most stupid member on here.

#79
SuperRoss
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