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Fyujin

this format should never happen again

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legit

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that's rich coming from an fnc fan given y'all won in 2023 being the first seed and getting the bye to playoffs like now

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sideshowsbaldhead

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i’m 6 feet from the edge and i’m thinkin

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HoldMeNow

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Maybe six feet

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six seven feet

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Idiot didn't exist in 2023. FNC had 2nd seed for Tokyo. Liquid won the regional title game.

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such copeeeee man

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they need to change this asap

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bro this has been happening since 2022 lmfao its only a "problem" to yall now

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Shanghai ?

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JKTenlip

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only 1 first seed won in shanghai

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last 2 years only one playoff bye team has won their opening game

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foythvlr

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this is just false
in tokyo 3/4 won (counting FNC as a 1st seed since they didnt play group stage)

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did bro watch tokyo

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Ehhh… I mean it feels especially bad with such a massive patch. Tejo shaped the game for a while and basically was nerfed to shit. Feels quite a bit different to any previous international tourney

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i agree nerfing an agent before an international is bad but teams also had a good while to work on new comps and everyone was going to a new meta is not like anyone in particular had a disadvantage

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well now we have some more data, it would be kinda dumb to call that out with like 4 games of data

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this is jus cope bro if anything 1 seeds straight to playoffs gives them more time to anti the teams who qual through groups

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Then why did all 4 lose?

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because the game is finally competitive, instead of tourneys where you have basically 3 teams in contention for the title (ex. bangkok - vit, t1, and g2) every team has a shot at winning, the 1 seeds losing just proves that every team can be beaten, you saying this basically says "i prefer to watch one-sided games" than competitive ones, the ones with actual suspense instead of games where the winner is basically decided round 1

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if the tournament is so competitive, then only half of the 1 seeds should have lost, def not all of them

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that's such bad reasoning....

For example, XLG literally had to replace a player last minute and struggled because of that

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i dont know how else you could do a 12 team tourney though

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yeah fraud first seeds should be sent home in the swiss stage instead of taking slots in playoffs

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firo

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nah this is fine, ask these teams if theyll risk getting eliminated in swiss than in playoffs

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BuitenzorGG

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Ass format. All of them going to lower bracket

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AlexSMTx

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nah, they are just all chokers

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Stormyv8

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I don't think it's necessarily a bad format, but we can't deny that it's doing something to the 1st seeds

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HOLY COPENATION

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Damn, all of them went straight to lowers

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AltonBu02

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what a cope narrative, they lost cause they were worse

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They lost cuz they didnt get enough practice as the lowers team, or games played.

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they lost cause they didn't warm up, yeah I've heard this story before

common sense will tell you that skipping those games and having more time to prep will be better most of the time, even if the statistics say something different

they were just worse and people using the first seed thing as an excuse are annoying

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common sense might tell you but data from first seeds who go straight to playoffs will tell you ofherwise

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I know, but if you look at the games they can all be explained in other ways besides the cope reason that first seed = bad

XLG -> self explanatory, no YOU no win

FNC -> lost to a Gen G who wasn't afraid to be innovative, try knew comps, and explore the meta

RRQ -> honestly they were the only team I think maybe was negatively affected by being the first seed, lack of experience and nerves caused them to play worse than they usually do. I still think Wolves are better regardless though.

G2 -> couldn't adapt to the meta well enough after abusing tejo for so long

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"they were worse"

META changes, you are in a master event, not sitting in your prac room to play for dozens of hrs without playing in the arena, you have no idea of the atmosphere in there, and you have to change the way you play in prac compare to on stage

having more time to prep will be better most of the time, even if the statistics say something different.

Look at NRG, look at the team that didn't go into this masters, are they gonna go back to either region and DESTORY all their teams and upset them?
No it is not gonna happen.

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Why are you bringing up NRG

And an experienced team like Fnatic should be just fine skipping playoffs. They lost cause they were worse than Gen G and weren't innovative enough in the new meta even though they had more time to prepare and that's a fact.

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??> if you are saying having more time to prep will be better most of the time, why isn't like 2G or BOOM beating teams like GEN.G or SENTINELS. If you are saying that having more time to prep will be better most of the time

"weren't innovative enough in the new meta even though they had more time to prepare and that's a fact."

Replies this sentence bro

META changes, you are in a master event, not sitting in your prac room to play for dozens of hrs without playing in the arena, you have no idea of the atmosphere in there, and you have to change the way you play in prac compare to on stage

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REPLY TO MY QUESTION

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Jyhz

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META changes, you are in a master event, not sitting in your prac room to play for dozens of hrs without playing in the arena, you have no idea of the atmosphere in there, and you have to change the way you play in prac compare to on stage

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I mean it sounds like its an advantage but statistically speaking, its not. I feel like actually playing in the tourney gives these teams better practice.

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I agree, one day geng will get 1st seed and go out sad. A lot of teams really need stage reps, geng, prx, sen are examples, optic was another example back then

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Imma give yall one example to end this debate. Think of Wolves. Do you see them winning against RRQ with how they choked against SEN in their first game? I dont. Wolves got a lot of momentum during those 3 games. Its a completly different story than just being thrown into the bracket halfway though the tournament

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What’s your genius alternative format then? Bro just complaining with zero solution

just win the damn game. This 1-seed format isn't new it’s been used in gaming since the begenning, dota2,league,cs2 etc either dominate and qualify or go home. Simple as that

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honesty just stay the same meta as before and change after this event.

MAJOR tournament will always be better because a lot of team are playing in stage 1,2,3 and they don't go straight to playoffs. They have to grind their way to playoffs. Which is different from masters

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I swear, Valorant comunity complain about everything. Format, maps, agents, crowd, lighting like bro, just play. You don’t see Dota or CS players/comunity crying this much and their formats are way more brutal

Dota 2 literally drops a whole new patch in the middle of a tournament and pros just adapt & stop crying

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Jyhz

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yer, cs is just goated ass game

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Fyujin

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the easiest is 4 groups of 3 teams with double elimination bracket. If riot wants #1 seeds to have advantage, they will earn a bye in group stage, only needing a single series win to qualify to playoffs while the other 2 teams in their group will need two. In this way, teams EARN their way to qualify for playoffs in international stage because they won a series internationally, not just because of the regional glory.