We might want to reopen the convo if geng wins Toronto
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Why are people down voting you lol? These people don't know boaster longevity and achievements as a igl ig. Munchkin will be the goat igl if he wins champs tho.
But munchkin is giving it all as it's likely his last year so I hope he at least wins this master or champs.
Exactly as good as munchkin has become this is his last year for a bit so if he comes back he might not be the same and he also wasn't an igl before but boaster has been an igl since the beginning and the teams he has called for have almost always been top 3 minimum in their region and like top 5 in the world somewhat also most of the time that's more than enough to be the goat igl
Also 2 trophies and 1 final (I guess there's first strike too before anyone else corrects me but are you really counting that) means he's like the 2nd most accomplished player behind chronicle I think
if munchkin won both Toronto AND Champs, then go above Boaster
otherwise nah, and he isnt really that close to the top 4 (Boaster, Saadhak, Fns, Ange1)
why no johnqt he is a good igl and shooter. top 3 ez idk why u guys sleeping on him. like even statistically u gonna find him better than these igls u mentioned
its more about longevity, john is good now but wasnt even in tier 1 as of 2 years ago.
Yeah you can't be the greatest of all time without being around for a long period of time
Johnqt:
- stint in 2022 with ghost gaming in group stage, but fell off in the NA qualifer playoffs
- won Madrid 2024
- fell off during Shanghai 2024 time
- top 4 at champs 2024
- 1-13 against TL at bangkok
- has only won against chinese teams
There are IGLs way more successful than him with way more longevity
nah he would prob just go to #3 (above FNS, Ange1) or #4 (above Ange1)
top igl ALL Time:
- Boaster
- Saadhak
- Finesse
- Ange1
- Munchkin
because nAts played the most of his successful career not as an igl and he only found success recently while igling
not even in top 20 igl all time YET
top 1 sentinel though and top 10 player of all time though (around #5-#8)
why is ange1 so high? Bro was good only in 2022. Played and called mid in 2023 and 2024 and 2025. Munchkin would of won two events and played really well for two years in a row with two different rosters
Ange1:
- Ange1 contribution to early Valorant understanding + IGLing (2020). He made a whole youtube channel that taught IGLs and stuff.
- Top 4 First Strike EU 2020 (best region at the time)
- Top 4 Masters 1 EU 2021 (best region at the time)
- Top 1 (realistic) during Reykjavik 2022 (objectively + stated by OPTIC themselves multiple times. OPTIC won Reykjavik 2022 btw) (but couldnt attend due to war)
- Top 1 at Copenhagen 2022
- Top 4 Champs 22
- Top 4 LOCK//IN
- attended Tokyo 2023, realistic top 6-7 team at Champs 23
- did decent in EMEA Kickoff 2024 and EMEA stage 1 2024 (unluckily lost in single-elims to Heretics)
- finally fell off after stage 2 emea
- Other: Ange1's team is in the top 5 teams to have the most top 4s (FNC, LOUD, NV/OPTC/NRG, PRX, FPX(EU)/NAVI)
meanwhile Munchkin:
- attended a few international events with CR (japan was a free ass region back then) and didnt get close to any high placements (I think they only ever won 1 game against t3 Brazilian team)
- Finals of Madrid
- Trophy in Shanghai
- 9th-12th champs 24
- In 2025, didnt attend Bangkok, currently looking like a top 1-4 team at Toronto (but hasnt gotten that placement yet)
such obvious bias for emea its not even funny. fucking including a youtube channel as an achievement and an event he didn't even go to this is such delusion
cant be a fuckin top 6-7th team at event if you bomb out 9th/12th
ange1 is so undeserving of being top 5 tho lets be honest. he won a pre franchising event (imma cope here and say prx woulda won breeze if they didnt play astra fade yoru breach... but not the point) and yes they looked good, but besides lock in he has done nothing in franchising, straightup paycheck stealer. woulda be better off getting a rookie igl and building around players like hiro
If he wins or even gets to the GF munchkin is a top 4 igl behind saadhak fns boaster
look now at aspas with another igl... saadhak and fns knew how to put their potential to use
wdym aspas won stage 2 americas, was top 3 in stage 1 americas, top 3 in champions 2024, top 3 in amer kick off, stage 1 in 2025 lol
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