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nAts and Keiko

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#1
Gutssz

How they carried this trash team into Masters?

only 2 players did that 💀💀 EMEA joke region

#2
aquaa018s_alterego
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flag ?

#15
KINGMANNY42
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so you dont like any europeans

#16
SENfns
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no hes calling out the european hjating on europeans

#3
Potatobrawler8
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-kamo
-serial
-patitek
+ardiis
+trexx
+rb/zest
trust me itll work

#7
WyldesDino
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Only trexx is an upgrade of what you just listed

#17
frizery
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no upgrades still trash.

#4
Congo1
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Coaches too.

#5
Ronyko23
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kamo is great. But pati & s0rial are bums.

#13
Semen-1
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kamo is consistently inconsistent
hes buns

#6
temi
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can sm1 do the maths on how many games tl have played all year compared to the other teams

#8
rhythmots
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Yeah we’ve played a lot, but it’s because we always fumble the upper brackets we are favoured to win, it’s our own fault.

#9
SudokuDude
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I can't lie, TL gotta steal Benjy and RieNs and you have a solid roster. Keiko just gotta be full-time duelist

#12
Kampfervl
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0% TH gonna let them go

#14
SudokuDude
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benjy's contract ending so all good

#18
Kampfervl
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But why would Benjy want to go to liquid when he's doing great in TH?

#20
bobwoblob
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If TL throw the bag, maybe they could do it. Although the roles don't work since serial plays init, smokes and senti.

#21
SudokuDude
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I'm just saying if he's not extending that contract, he's likely leaving for some reason.

#23
vkex
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afaik neilzinho said the current th roster is a “long term project” which most likely means theyre not releasing any of the players especially when theyre doing so well

#24
SudokuDude
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that is also true. I guess it's too early to assume so that's my bad

#19
abdd
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keiko is perfect on his current role
smokes player who flexes duelist
rather have another full-time duelist

#22
iplayval
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Keiko is good on raze and smokes. Kamo is already a good duelist. I’m glad they fixed that icebox comp i hated it

#10
gutterslugs
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When the apac import is announced 🥶

#11
cameran
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no nats MVP = no TL win

#25
iplayval
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I think theyre trying to improve and hitting a roadblock with nats igling. Either that or their only goal was making masters in which case they’re focusing all efforts on that

I’m worried at the moment because it looks like they’re slowly falling apart but it could be necessary to level up to fnc or g2 quality

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Congo1
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complete disagree. You can see the numbers black on white... They only have two world class players. Heretics have 4. FNC have 4. Considering their player material they are overperforming. I would say coaching and igl are their strenght.

As to why they are falling apart? BBL has kept improving a lot and so have Navi and KC... The gap has just closed. Combined with the fact that liquid was just in life form in that later kickoff run and are now back to normal its only logical that they are struggling now

#30
iplayval
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I don’t think the player quality is the issue. A lot of people thought keiko was bad last year because he only performed well in the first games and now they’re saying hes one of 2 good players on tl. Patitek is objectively world class when it comes to util usage. Kamo struggles in some games but his job as entry is always done correctly.

Numbers dont paint the whole picture. Its hard to see their impact from the outside which is why a lot of people, me included, fail to see Serials contribution. The coaching staff is doing a lot of the heavy lifting but I think the dip in performance is them trying a different style of gameplay where the coaching isnt holding their hand the entire game if that makes sense. They need to try something new because as you said they hit their peak early

#31
Congo1
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I think the dip in performance is them trying a different style of gameplay where the coaching isnt holding their hand the entire game if that makes sense. They need to try something new because as you said they hit their peak early

I just think thats a consequence of the rapid succession of games. Whenever liquid has time off they come back with a lot of new ideas and play in a very structured manner. When the "old" material ceases to work of course its often on the igls to adapt. That doesnt suggest an igl issue to me at all however.

FNC 2023 relied A LOT on the same strats but got away with it more due to individual excellence. Something liquid cant match. If they want to break past their early peak the only reliable non-luck based way to do so is individual upgrades.

#26
Ghostjinn
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pati gaslit a whole generation into thinking he was good after subbing for TH, myself included. his util is NOT like jonahp's to put up such low fragging numbers

#28
Congo1
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he is eu zellsis.

#29
Ghostjinn
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minus the clutch potential

#32
resyn
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we're chilling

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