Tejo nerfs strongly benefit EMEA and PRX (analysis

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Congo1

I heard sideshow say "we have no clue what the post tejo meta will be" which irritated me since i thought EMEA very much showed what that meta could look like on quite a few maps. So i looked into it and tried to find out which regions and teams already have a a finger on the pulse of the new meta

Methodology:
I am leaving fracture out since its going out of rotation. Also leaving out perma bans since they dont have a comp on them so they cant be nerfed.

I deem a map from a team a Tejo comp map according to following factors:
Recency of Tejo comps vs non tejo comps, relative amount of tejo comps on a map vs total times map was played and in close situations the winrate of the tejo vs non tejo comps on a map. Generally its only hard to classify them if there is a low sample size of maps played. I tried to lean towards trying to present the current state of teams map pools instead of being a slave to untimely data of the earlier weeks.

First i list the amount of positive classification decisions on whether a map (e.g. Haven) is deemed a Tejo map for a team relative to the total amount of maps in the map pool. (G2: "6/6 maps")

Second i added the total amount of times Tejo was NOT played on a map by a team relative to the total amount of maps played in stage 1. Goal was to show whether a teams best maps which are more likely to be chosen to be played repeatedly are Tejo dependent or not. ( Sen: "------> 7/23")

Findings:

G2: 6/6 maps (100%) comps include Tejo -------> 0/29 (0%) non-fracture individual maps played without(!) tejo.
Sen: 5/6 maps (83%) ----------------------------------------------> 7/23 (30%)
MiBr: 4/6 maps (66%) --------------------------------------------> 7/23 (30%)

Heretics: 2/6 (33%) ---------> 9/14 (64%)
FNC: 3/6 (50%) ----------------> 14/16 (88%)
Liquid: 3/6 (50%) -------------> 8/15 (53%)
BBL: 4/6 (66%) ----------------> 5/16 (31%)

RRQ 4/6 (66%) ----------------> 4/25 (16%)
GenG 4/6 (66%) --------------> 8/21 (38%)
PRX 1/6 (16%) ----------------> 14/21 (66%)

XLG 4/6 (66%) ----------------> 4/18 (22%)

Fuck W0lves and the Billi twins. I will not bother with that trash.

Conclusion:
EMEA heavily benefits from these changes as they were not as willing to adopt the Tejo meta as much as the other regions. Only BBL is closer to americas in Tejo usage than EMEAs average. Also PRX is a massive beneficiary. They moved away quickly from Tejo after initially trying it on a few maps.

Excuse me if i made some minor errors. I had a long day and cant be arsed to triple check.

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ARix145

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Yeah but emea has less prep time compare to ther regions so it benifits prx more I think

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Congo1

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sure but the narrative has just been that EMEA is screwed due to less prep time but it hasnt been acknowledged that they also need less prep time since they have less to change and figure out.

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catNmouse

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not playing tejo compensates for that tbh

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termtermtermterm

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love the fact that you simply call action to PRX

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kotchan

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we winnin erry thang fr

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Congo1

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bruh. give the prx train any more fuel was not my intention 😭😭😭

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counterpoint: mibr seems to work better with non-tejo comps (100% WR on icebox without tejo). Sen doesn't seem so bad either overall (3-2 on their non-tejo map Haven, 3-1 with their current comp). G2 is the team 100% reliant on tejo but they can adapt well with the time

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Congo1

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you have to completely change your tejo maps which takes a lot of time. That fact is independent of their natural affinity to tejo vs non tejo comps.

Also mibr are 0/3 on ascent, one of their two non tejo maps. Icebox is the only unnerfed map they are good on.

And with Sens haven.... Their 3 wins are against Loud, 2G and EG at their worst. Not exactly tough competition.

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foythvlr

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yes but if they do feel more comfortable with non-tejo comps the transition will be better specially since they have 1 month to prepare for masters
ascent was getting comp diffed by G2 with an outdated comp + 1 of the losses was with tejo (furia loss was valid tho)
sen criticism is valid tho

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Congo1

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they are playing EWC qualifiers are they not?

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foythvlr

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yes i think

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Disagree that G2 are "reliant" on tejo. It just fits their post-plant playstyle greatly, but it's not like no other agents have mollies. As someone who plays way too many stupid agents, yes it takes time for you to practice your previously memorized lineups/setups (ex switching to sova dart from fade eye or kay/o knife, or switching kay/o molly from sova shock dart), but given the amount of time they have, I think they can get their lineups back in time, and then it's pretty much the same.

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you can't get away without taking aim duels. And team like th with better shooters gonna punish.

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Wendler

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have you seen what trent's #'s are this year? you think that's all rocket kills? lol. i normally don't respond to these takes, but you need to go back in the VODs and recheck that point

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G2 has Anderzz which is know for making meta & thoughtful comp and given 1 month time to team like G2 is more beneficial look at how they change their bind comp in bangkok from swiss stage to playoffs without Anderzz

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The issue isn’t lineups… the issue was u could use tejo missiles to take space early or to take site and have the missiles ready for the clutch… with fade eye or sova all this other refreshables didn’t do damage and give u space for free

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marnd

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give us the cn stats

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one step closer to the dreaded TH vs PRX grand finals...

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Bump

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i mean anderzz is on g2 i think they are the only team id trust to navigate a new meta properly

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Are we deadass giving these fuckass choker rex fans some sort of hope? Goddamn bro you are brutal asf. With or without tejo nerf they aint winning shit ✌️ sorry bro

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Ch1llin

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we win champs bro, TRUUUUUUUSTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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Color-bLUE

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I said the same thing in good old 22 and 23 bro 💔

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Ch1llin

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REAL PEOPLE KNOW IT'S EVERY CHAMPS THEY WIN

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FNC are in more bad spot Fracture is going out it is their good map, ascent and icebox they have lower winrate, Pearl is their perma ban, Sunset is coming in which they last year did not know what to do until champs but team figuer them out so overall they have 2 goodmap heaven and lotus they have to work on their icebox and ascent and pearl and now on top of that sunset

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Congo1

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Ehhh... Fracture is like their 4th map.

Split and Lotus are clearly their two top picks with Haven being also good. All of these 3 are Tejo less which is the important thing. Meaning they already have 3 strong maps in the bank. Thats a huge lead to Americas who have 0 or 1 non tejo maps.

Now they get on Icebox, Ascent, Pearl and Sunset like every other team.

I mean look at G2. The have to rework Icebox, Lotus, Split, Ascent, Pearl AND Haven. 6 maps need a lot more time than the 3 of FNC.

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fr0ster0p

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Yes G2 have to do it or they can go back to meta comp they have more then a month for that not EMEA team they can't change that much map in 2 week times cause they have to make strats player comfert it is very hard when you have 4 weak map and 2 map you have not even played for long time and in that 2 week they also have to improve their strong map cause people have vods on that non Tejo map but what about team like G2-SEN-RRQ-XLG who playes havey tejo we dont know what would they bring out

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Congo1

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Brother you need a least a week to seriously fix a map most of the time. Even having a month will not fix all of G2s 7 maps. Especially since they would have 0 real proof of the maps working on stage and not only in scrims. How many times have teams thought their map was good just to find out it absolutely sucks on stage.

First of all FNC have 3 strong maps. AS much as youre trying to dispute it thats a fact. Also FNC KNOW their split is really good. They know their Lotus is really strong. They know their Haven is good. They have proof of concept by beating all those teams. And just because you have tape out doesnt mean you can beat map. FNC had played the exact same Lotus all of 2023 and nobody could beat it. G2 have (mostly) been playing exactly the same way on their maps this year but teams couldnt beat them. You just have to do minimal work. Do some anti. Maybe change a couple of really minor things to keep it fresh and that it. You can do that in a day.

Yes, EMEA has much less time. But also EMEA NEED much less time. That is a fact that you should stop trying to argue.

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fr0ster0p

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G2 Pearl map they can go back to Sova instade of tejo which they ran in bangkok , Ascent they can just replace tejo with sova same with icebox and in split they can do fade instade of tejo the map need more changes are their Lotus , Heaven, and new comp for Sunset

And yes you can win with tap TH won aginst them in Lotus and heaven yes thier split is good that is big there will be gap in prep When Americas have 1 month + time and EMEA just 2 week and all team have to do media also it's whole diffrent meta you need time to test some stuff

team like TH can have no problem cause they already have good map pool and not using Tejo but team like FNC will have more strugle cause of Weak map pool and if TH can win aginst FNC in Lotus and Heaven they have to make adjustment in that map Heave is their strong map but FNC defence in heaven is also weak

It sucks to be EMEA team even if you play less tejo but you have that much low time compair to China + Americas. EMEA clearly are at disadvantage cause All Toronto team are not a free win.

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Congo1

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you still ignore the fact that FNCs best 3 maps are Tejo free which is a massive deal. Heretics is the best team in the world and FNC still should have won the Lotus and there is no team that beats heretics on haven right now on the planet. It is still a strong map for them. "The defence is bad". My guy thats just how the Iso comp is. You stomp on attack and you need to survive on defence.

Also you have just decided to give G2 a complete free pass as if takes 0 work to make their changes. Yes there are comps to pivot to but you can not just "slot in another agent" as easily as youre trying to present it. AT all. Ah, just slot in sova and youre fine, no big deal! Come on... Who doesnt know the massive impact sova has on post plant delay.

If anything i see a chance for FNC. On their weaker maps other teams lose the lead they had with their tejo comps getting nerfed. They have to find new comps. And FNC wasnt good on those anyways so they both have to work on those maps. FNC just doesnt have to work on Split , Haven and Lotus any noteworthy amount on top of that. Which G2 definitely must do.

EMEA having less prep time is a massive disadvantage. However they got lucky that they get much less affected by the big meta shift. So it balances out to some degree. What will end up weighing heavier we will see in Toronto

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danii1

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I'd say it also benefits Gen.G to a certain extent

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We also need to add more information about initiator who play Tejo and other agents, for example: Kushy can play Sova (the best in APAC), KayO and Fade, Trent also play Sova with similar performance as Tejo
Also PRX never use Tejo since stage 1 week 4 until playoff, the last time they use Tejo were their match against Boom