- aspas
- Chronicle
- Sacy
- Leo
- TenZ
- Derke
- Meteor
- KangKang
- MaKo
- zekken
how are zekken & meteor in a top 10 all time list????????????????????????? please be objective.
Sacy & TenZ should be lower (their success is way less than some of the others as well as longevity)
Why are nAts & Less not here???????????????
people forgot nAts?:
90 percent of this site are just brazilians makes no sense to fight with any of them
Bro stop peddling this bs narrative that this site is supposedly "infested" with Brazilians. I promise you they make up less than 10% of the users on this site. You're telling me for every one of any other flag, there are 9 Brazilians on this site. That's actually so retarded.
TenZ > Derke
Derke 0 MVPs TenZ 1 + More flexible + Diffed him 3-1.
Sacy above less and derke 100% too
how is Sacy above Less and Derke (straight cope)?
Success:
Tenz trophies: 2
Derke trophies: 2
Tenz finals: 2
Derke finals: 3
Tenz international event appearances/qualifications: 6
Derke international event appearances/qualifications: 11
Tenz top 4 placements: 3
Derke top 4 placements: 5
Individual:
Diffed him 3-1
this does not matter. It is like saying a duelist vsing Aspas is better than Aspas becuz the team beat Aspas.
Derke: Duelist[Jett, Raze, Yoru, top 2 Chamber meta 2022]
TenZ: Duelist[Jett, Yoru], Controller[Omen], SpikePlanter/Killer[Sage, Reyna]
TenZ is not more flexible than Derke (TenZ could not play good Raze - he is infamous for this (if you have actually watched SEN games from 2021-2023). Also when TenZ played smokes, he played only Omen (99% of the time). This factually does not require much effort and the way he played Omen was similar to a Killer like Reyna.
tenz still plays more agents wytb lol
also there were better chambers, cryo ardiis
youre just lying lol
sacy more appearances than less + more trophies than less and derke + sacy been doing it for 5 while less only 4.
just leave out the gekko, kayo out for tenz too. derke only only play duelist while tenz played every role and won with them. that is more flexible.
that omen part is pure cope. he was one of the most aggressive omens rarely in clutches.
All time list. All time list.
what is with people forgetting this is for 5 years. not 1
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bro just did not watch 2023 + kickoff 2024 + kickoff 2025
Less is the 2nd best sentinel of all time (after nAts - but Less is a better aimer). Idk how u can even compare Meteor to him (right now) other than bias.
tbh leo being over chronicle is a reach
the rating argument doesnt make sense when you consider chronicle plays a role that isnt as behind everyone else
i get that but leo was actually playing perfect val but chronicle should def be top 3-4 imo
i love sacy from the bottom of my heart but he doesnt deserve top 3 only due to his trophies
understandable, but i wouldnt lower him so much, probably 5 - 6th would be fair
no disrespect to the korean veteran, but mako shouldn't be here, he has yet to actually win any internationals and regardless of performance, thats important. also where is yay
mako best in his role for 5 years straight has to be something. yay only good for 2.5 years. definitely not top 10 or 15
Ig less, Alfa, saadhak and boaster would be above mako.
in what world is mako consistently the best smokes player for 5 years, he was NEVER the best i promise you LMFAO
2020 - idfk
2021- chronicle
2022 - marved/pancada
2023 - boaster dont even deny it
2024 - karon or tenz
anyone but mako honestly LMFAO
rispek on chronicle pick here, the only player who have 3 trophies
instead mako, I'll choose stax/boaster/saadhak
You have to realize having Aspas at 1 and less not even on the list just literally makes zero sense right?
Alfa should def be here. 1 mvp and 2 throphies is more than some of these players
Meteor on an all time list feels kind of like recency bias, maybe there's an argument for him being the GOAT of APAC since he helped get them both their trophies though. But part of me feels that Mako is better despite Meteor reaching the greater heights.
i agree no 1 is aspas, he survive the test of time and patch, every patch he still dominate,...
no 2 through 10 is everyone biased...