Chet/Itopata

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#1
Hades_Loves_Rb
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ofc the coach that misused Demon1 is 24 is hyping up the coach that misused Demon1 in 25

Also in 25 he was quite litterally LEVs best performer-and maybe he didnt try in 24 but airing out him on a diff team a year later when (to our knowledge) you have no knowledge of wtf is going on beind the scenes is weird af

bizzaro

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Dymerr
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Both are terrible coaches I cant lie but also it is extremely hard to use Demon1 cause you need someone like jawgemo on the team and there are like 3 or 4 players like that in americas rn

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i mean kingg is basically jawgemo in terms of agent pool

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Dymerr
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but not even close in terms of skill on those agents. He is absolutely a smokes goat tho

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Ballsamolee
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yeah i agree. thats why i said agent pool

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unknown_trash
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no. jawgemo is phenomenal on duelist agents. kinggg is mid on duelists. that is a huge difference in agent pool. kinggg is an amazing player if he isn't forced onto the entry role.

#42
Ballsamolee
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smokes and raze isnt just duelist. also again. i said agent pool

#43
whysoup
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just cuz he played the agents doesnt mean he's good on them LOL

#44
Ballsamolee
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yeah i agree, but he isnt terrible on them

#46
unknown_trash
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you cannot compare jawgemo to any duelist player unless they are top 10 itw on duelist. idk what you are arguing... that kinggg is just as good as jawgemo on the agents they play?? absolutely not on duelist.

#47
Ballsamolee
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when did i say kingg is just as good as jawgemo. take your meds and go back to bed bud

#9
Hades_Loves_Rb
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He hard entried towards the end of stage 1 on lev when they let him play duelist and he looked good

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bizarro

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darklord69
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"misused demon1" have you considered that demon1 should learn how to be a real duelist or just completely roleswap? look at all the other top teams' duelists, none of them are flexing like this

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Hades_Loves_Rb
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Demon1 looked very good hard entrying on LEV when they let him towards the end of stage 1

#13
Eyedd
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Yay and icy

#15
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also the only time LEV have let Demon1 play duelist they have also made him play smokes cause why tf he play amazing Neon on Lotus just for Kingg to play it instead on Fracture

#16
chrlxz
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because you dont switch up your gameplan mid series! hope this helps

#17
Hvdrvg
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Cryo

#18
Marii
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Yh I guess bleed wasn’t misusing yay? Yay should’ve learned how to hard entry even though that wasn’t ever his role

#19
chrlxz
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they actually had him on agents such as viper and apparently he was very good in scrims but shit in matches (he chose to play that role)

i love yay but he was actually just bad on bleed

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Marii
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He played viper twice, 12-13 and 6/19 and they were both in the same series

#26
chrlxz
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yeah but apparently he averaged like 300 acs in scrims on viper according to legija

he was clearly going through stuff at the time so not hating, they moved him to duelist as maybe they though itd be more comfortable for him

#24
NRGSUPERFAN
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yay had vertain issues on stage tbf. couldnt proper concentrate and i guess the pressure was getting to him according to his coach

#27
chrlxz
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yeah fucked situation for him

#21
Marii
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I guess 100T didn’t misuse Cryo when they put him on raze in lock in

#30
midzera
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Demon1 should and probably has tried to learn to play as a dedicated duelist, hard-entrying for the team, but it is probably his personal playstyle to be calm rather than super aggro. If you recall his EG days, he wasn't extremely dynamic. In fact, he said at the time that he enjoyed playing agents like Astra.

Also, to say that other teams' duelists aren't flexing like Demon1 is just not true. Kai and FengF were flexing duelists and sentinel roles depending on maps during the times that they attends internationals. The issue right now is Demon1's agent pool isn't favoured especially with teams trying to lean into the Yoru meta. Jett is still favourable on maps like Ascent and Icebox, but it's becoming evident that Yoru-Breach-Tejo-Omen-Viper is the meta comp with variations swapping out Breach and Viper depending on the map.

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darklord69
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I said top teams, not sure TE qualifies lmao
every single team at Bangkok aside from them had a dedicated duelist. the current top teams regionally also nearly all have a dedicated duelist

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midzera
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TE definitely doesn't now, but last year they were making their name in Champs. They took down Leviatan with Aspas. Current pro meta is definitely moving back to dedicated simple roles. I feel like Demon1 should be more of a secondary duelist and then tex plays duelist. Demon1 on Iso would also be great to see, but unfortunately it's probably never going to happen.

#36
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fengf has already been benched cause the duelist switcharoo wasnt working and he couldnt perform at all on tejo

#37
Hades_Loves_Rb
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problem with Tejo meta Fengf was him before that-honeslty hope he comes back because Midi is not him

#6
Aminbg02
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shi like this should be kept private between the pro players and staff

#11
chrlxz
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ur bronze in game bro. how would you know anything about how players should be used. you just regurgitate talking points from streamers

#12
Hades_Loves_Rb
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  1. Lie
  2. Ad Hominem
  3. Nothing I have said has come from anyone elses mind but my own. I (and everyone else) am able to see what is in front of me.
#14
chrlxz
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oh its a lie? please enlighten me as to what rank you play at where you understand the micro of this game to such a high level

#22
Hades_Loves_Rb
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Im silver 1-I play for fun a couple times a week and average 40-50 fps.
Ranked doesnt mean you have high knowledge of the game and the fact that you think it does says more about you than it does me.

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chrlxz
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ranked doesnt mean you have high knowledge of the macro but it does mean you understand how the game is played from a players pov

you will never understand how the micro works from a player pov in situations because you dont play the game

you can understand the macro fine, there are coaches such as Chet who never played pro in any game

when you talk about itopata misuing d1 you are wrong. no coach couldve made that roster work. the problems lie in the management for sanctioning the signing of d1

#29
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Youre right-I have never played on a pro team so I will never know how any of the team/player dynamics work. can you elinghten me to why you think D1 specifically was the problem here and why no other coach could make this roster work?

#35
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d1 was the problem because he couldnt entry and fucked all the roles

i actually thought d1 was quite good on lev, his level of play wasnt the problem at all but he either played duelist where he struggled to find impact or he took kingg (a top smokes player) off of his best role

after kingg moved to duelist Rossy had to take over as igl where he was much worse than kingg too

so its not his level of play being bad, its the knock on effect that his agent pool has on the rest of the team

similar situation with Cryo on 100t but he is so good that its justifiable

#20
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it was expected with too many role overlaps and issues that could all be prevented by having a proper duelist. kingg is overall a better controller than demon1 and sacrificing him for a worse controller is just bad

#28
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diamond1 has no place on the roster. not good smokes. not versatile enough on duelist. 2 years later and still a one trick

best player on LEV? meaningless its like saying youre the best player on furia

#31
troy
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Hades what happened to your predictions today and what's the status

#32
Hades_Loves_Rb
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FNC ruined it :(

#33
troy
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ohhhhh man, you was lowkey cookin

#38
fawning
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Did we forget that chet dropped 5 figures for d1 buyout and he slept during pracs?

#39
whysoup
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if D1 is who u say he is, then surely his teammates vouch for him, even underperforming players on underperforming teams stay on rosters because theyre good teammates. Crazy considering he played relatively well and still wanted him out, I think its pretty easy to comprehend why he got dropped

#41
kk85
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"demon1 is the best player in the world, put some respect on his name" ahh post, go back to 2023 bro

#45
nobody___100
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chet a real homie like that

#48
sw4gman
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ch0t when it comes to being a snake. Optic core really the worst thing to happen in esports

#49
cyk
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Ch0t must be really regret that he paid the buyout for someone sleeping through the scrim and can’t even learn one more duelist in 2 years

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