https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJCZZ8QitqQ
I think some Japanese fans took it very seriously
they are not so used to banter or "Western" jokes
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LouBag [#2]Can someone just explain… cause I ain’t watching the whole thing
japanese people mad because riot casters, balla, sideshow, and bren are laughing at zeta division related jokes
the power rankings with zeta's logo turned upside down was the catalyst for most of it.
LouBag [#2]Can someone just explain… cause I ain’t watching the whole thing
basically platchat put zeta at the bottom of the list and they put the zeta logo upside down
Brokendreams [#4]Look at the latest comments. How did they even find this video?
a guy probably posted it on a forum or somethin
TL:DR The Japanese fans are mad that the logo was reversed and inverted, and that no one on the show said nothing constructive about ZETA during the segment.
Japan sees ZETA as their pride and joy in Valorant, so to see that 4 Westerners kick down their pride is akin to personal attack on Japan.
It's just a cultural barrier/difference, but one that was not well-received.
LouBag [#2]Can someone just explain… cause I ain’t watching the whole thing
so basically, plat chat put ZETA last on their power ranking and they kinda made jokes on ZETA
e.g)Teams are blacklisting Zeta in scrims cuz they are so bad (It was a joke)
and they put Zeta flair upside down
I'm not sure but putting a thing upside down is disrespectful to Japanese? (there are some Japanese comments saying it)
somebody uploaded in JP valorant community and Japanese fans took it as an offense
本当にこの人たちが公式のキャスターなのか？ 自国のチームを馬鹿にされるよりよっぽど可哀想だよ。このリスペクトに欠けた人たちの実況解説をこれからもずっと見なきゃならないんでしょ？
Are these people really official casters? It's more pitiful than being ridiculed by your team. You have to keep watching the commentary of those who lack this respect, right?
other:
I am japanese. I'm supporting my national team.
In fact, the result of the match will not be exactly this, and the ZETA division will advance to the playoffs.
They keeped making an effort to come here.And it's the same with other teams.
Please have respect for all teams and players.
inconclusion: maybe, plat chat has gone too far this time by flipping Zeta logo upside down
my opinion:
obviously death threats are bad. water is wet. but this is literally just what happens when you have a community with a drastic language barrier + cultural differences and try to instigate them. plat chat's intentions weren't to be assholes, they were trying to be funny. but in japanese culture that's a big nono, using strangers you aren't friendly with as the punchline to your humor. it's extremely rude and disrespectful, and obviously when said "disrespect" was proven to be wrong, they'd bite back.
guyphoe [#5]basically platchat put zeta at the bottom of the list and they put the zeta logo upside down
A tournament ranking wouldn’t be complete if it didn’t piss someone off.
LouBag [#11]A tournament ranking wouldn’t be complete if it didn’t piss someone off.
yea but it's not a thing in Asia I think
probably poor translation added fire on to it
SETSUZA [#10]my opinion:
obviously death threats are bad. water is wet. but this is literally just what happens when you have a community with a drastic language barrier + cultural differences and try to instigate them. plat chat's intentions weren't to be assholes, they were trying to be funny. but in japanese culture that's a big nono, using strangers you aren't friendly with as the punchline to your humor. it's extremely rude and disrespectful, and obviously when said "disrespect" was proven to be wrong, they'd bite back.
agree
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#8]so basically, plat chat put ZETA last on their power ranking and they kinda made jokes on ZETA
e.g)Teams are blacklisting Zeta in scrims cuz they are so bad (It was a joke)
and they put Zeta flair upside down
I'm not sure but putting a thing upside down is disrespectful to Japanese? (there are some Japanese comments saying it)somebody uploaded in JP valorant community and Japanese fans took it as an offense
I mean it isnt about putting something upside down being offensive more like just don't disrespect other regions. Simple, and based. You really shouldn't need to give respect to other regions because you are getting "death threats" or whatever, just be a normal human. Have fun, but within limits and without disrespecting others.
#peace.
ItsMeDio [#9]本当にこの人たちが公式のキャスターなのか？ 自国のチームを馬鹿にされるよりよっぽど可哀想だよ。このリスペクトに欠けた人たちの実況解説をこれからもずっと見なきゃならないんでしょ？
Are these people really official casters? It's more pitiful than being ridiculed by your team. You have to keep watching the commentary of those who lack this respect, right?
other:
I am japanese. I'm supporting my national team.
In fact, the result of the match will not be exactly this, and the ZETA division will advance to the playoffs.
They keeped making an effort to come here.And it's the same with other teams.
Please have respect for all teams and players.inconclusion: maybe, plat chat has gone too far this time by flipping Zeta logo upside down
I mean it isnt about putting something upside down being offensive more like just don't disrespect other regions. Simple, and based. You really shouldn't need to give respect to other regions because you are getting "death threats" or whatever, just be a normal human. Have fun, but within limits and without disrespecting others.
#peace.
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#8]so basically, plat chat put ZETA last on their power ranking and they kinda made jokes on ZETA
e.g)Teams are blacklisting Zeta in scrims cuz they are so bad (It was a joke)
and they put Zeta flair upside down
I'm not sure but putting a thing upside down is disrespectful to Japanese? (there are some Japanese comments saying it)somebody uploaded in JP valorant community and Japanese fans took it as an offense
about the upside down thing, it's more like vandalism of imagery depicting a community is understood as a direct attack on them
if people think "wow man how sensitive can you get" well it's just a cultural diff man. i'm sure some of the things you think are offensive, they would be like whatever bro. their worldview is just fundamentally different
SETSUZA [#10]my opinion:
obviously death threats are bad. water is wet. but this is literally just what happens when you have a community with a drastic language barrier + cultural differences and try to instigate them. plat chat's intentions weren't to be assholes, they were trying to be funny. but in japanese culture that's a big nono, using strangers you aren't friendly with as the punchline to your humor. it's extremely rude and disrespectful, and obviously when said "disrespect" was proven to be wrong, they'd bite back.
say that to br kekw
kyrielight [#18]LMFAO NO WAY THEY'RE GETTING MAD OVER A UPSIDE-DOWN LOGO HAHAHAHA
i mean... it's funny to me too but cultural difference is a thing you know lol
kyrielight [#18]LMFAO NO WAY THEY'RE GETTING MAD OVER A UPSIDE-DOWN LOGO HAHAHAHA
I mean it isnt about putting something upside down being offensive more like just don't disrespect other regions. Simple, and based. You really shouldn't need to give respect to other regions because you are getting "death threats" or whatever, just be a normal human. Have fun, but within limits and without disrespecting others.
#peace.
Gorbachov [#19]Japanese vlr fans are the new Brazilians, how much of a snowflake do you have to be to get mad at this? 💀
They are asking peacefully to be respected. How can u even compare? I love the brazillians but even they know the difference.
Banter and sarcasm is something many Japanese people don’t understand. For western esports fans bantering is common, however this type of content is rare in Japan.
I’m not justifying their action, just providing some context on why some fans didn’t receive the segment well.
A lot of fans are actually quite open about criticisms, but they don’t like the way it’s delivered.
Example: Calling Takumi Minamino of Liverpool a Carabao Cup Merchant will typically be seen as banter in the west, but some Japanese fans will think you are shitting on him.
guyphoe [#23]i cant really understand how people would send hate/death threats over something like that
許すわけないだろ。
覚えてろよまじで。
I can't forgive you.
Remember, seriously.
This comment got more than 100 likes on youtube I google translated.
I think some took it very seriously
ForumPeasant [#24]Banter and sarcasm is something many Japanese people don’t understand. For western esports fans bantering is common, however this type of content is rare in Japan.
I’m not justifying their action, just providing some context on why some fans didn’t receive the segment well.
A lot of fans are actually quite open about criticisms, but they don’t like the way it’s delivered.
Example: Calling Takumi Minamino of Liverpool a Carabao Cup Merchant will typically be seen as banter in the west, but some Japanese fans will think you are shitting on him.
understandable
ForumPeasant [#24]Banter and sarcasm is something many Japanese people don’t understand. For western esports fans bantering is common, however this type of content is rare in Japan.
I’m not justifying their action, just providing some context on why some fans didn’t receive the segment well.
A lot of fans are actually quite open about criticisms, but they don’t like the way it’s delivered.
Example: Calling Takumi Minamino of Liverpool a Carabao Cup Merchant will typically be seen as banter in the west, but some Japanese fans will think you are shitting on him.
yea i remember similar thing happened in league community but it was Chinese fans who got mad over a western pro's joke/banter
ForumPeasant [#24]Banter and sarcasm is something many Japanese people don’t understand. For western esports fans bantering is common, however this type of content is rare in Japan.
I’m not justifying their action, just providing some context on why some fans didn’t receive the segment well.
A lot of fans are actually quite open about criticisms, but they don’t like the way it’s delivered.
Example: Calling Takumi Minamino of Liverpool a Carabao Cup Merchant will typically be seen as banter in the west, but some Japanese fans will think you are shitting on him.
Makes sense.
Also who is Kenshi Takada? I see one user talking about him in the comments, and something about a bad dream?
Really lost on that one.
redlight [#28]Makes sense.
Also who is Kenshi Takada? I see one user talking about him in the comments, and something about a bad dream?
Really lost on that one.
I have no idea. Must be some joke I’m missing.
queueK [#3]japanese people mad because riot casters, balla, sideshow, and bren are laughing at zeta division related jokes
the power rankings with zeta's logo turned upside down was the catalyst for most of it.
did they flip the logo on purpose? no way it was on purpose right...
DeluluGavin [#30]did they flip the logo on purpose? no way it was on purpose right...
it was on purpose but they did the same thing to TSM and FPX a while ago.
It's just their way of joking around
Is this really that bad to send death threats in Asia?
DeluluGavin [#30]did they flip the logo on purpose? no way it was on purpose right...
It was on purpose. So they can flip the picture and say Zeta is the best team.
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#31]it was on purpose but they did the same thing to TSM and FPX a while ago.
It's just their way of joking around
Is this really that bad to send death threats in Asia?
ohhh i see. Nah not really, but some might have taken some offense, although it does not justify death threats.
VirajKnight [#32]It was on purpose. So they can flip the picture and say Zeta is the best team.
sounds like a good banter but that is hella disrespectful
redlight [#7]TL:DR The Japanese fans are mad that the logo was reversed and inverted, and that no one on the show said nothing constructive about ZETA during the segment.
Japan sees ZETA as their pride and joy in Valorant, so to see that 4 Westerners kick down their pride is akin to personal attack on Japan.
It's just a cultural barrier/difference, but one that was not well-received.
yea...
zz [#22]They are asking peacefully to be respected. How can u even compare? I love the brazillians but even they know the difference.
Death threats
"Peacefully"
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
This site just likes their AYAYA cute Japanese weebs more than bronzilians so the behavior gets excused
DeluluGavin [#34]sounds like a good banter but that is hella disrespectful
Maybe. But saying anything bad about any team can be deemed disrespectful if you care too much. Also, this isn't even a serious list. They only do these for the entertaining banter and hypotheticals.
zz [#14]I mean it isnt about putting something upside down being offensive more like just don't disrespect other regions. Simple, and based. You really shouldn't need to give respect to other regions because you are getting "death threats" or whatever, just be a normal human. Have fun, but within limits and without disrespecting others.
#peace.
That's the thing though, who's limits? There's clearly a cultural barrier here cuz nobody in NA or EMEA would bat an eye to this kind of banter. This is only disrespectful if you don't know how entertainment works in other countries, so whoever took these clips to Japan and tried to make it look like they were being disrespectful mistranslated the shit out of what is otherwise a pretty entertaining segment, which is the only reason why plat chat makes these non-serious lists.
redlight [#7]TL:DR The Japanese fans are mad that the logo was reversed and inverted, and that no one on the show said nothing constructive about ZETA during the segment.
Japan sees ZETA as their pride and joy in Valorant, so to see that 4 Westerners kick down their pride is akin to personal attack on Japan.
It's just a cultural barrier/difference, but one that was not well-received.
Not only was this before the tournament, but it was meant to be entertainment, not a serious list. Whoever shared it, I question their intent. Also, Wyatt did praise Zeta's post plants and their set ups on their map picks, so the non-ranking segment did have positives
Ultimate6989 [#38]Ye I mean to be fair, you dont want jokes on ur national team
But a lot of fans from every region are too much like kpop fans lmao
Shouldnt overgeneralize + forgive them they are just so rightfully happy zeta is doing well
"National team" is probably contributing to why so many people over there are seemingly over-invested in what would otherwise be considered harmless banter. While in reality, plat chat isn't making fun of Japan or the players, and just doing what's become common in the west: making up entertaining hypothetical placements based on previous expectations of a team in the video game.
But after they do better than expectations, it's being shared as if their doubt was somehow unfounded and a barely noticeable gesture is being taken as disrespectful to the entire country
1king [#41]"National team" is probably contributing to why so many people over there are seemingly over-invested in what would otherwise be considered harmless banter. While in reality, plat chat isn't making fun of Japan or the players, and just doing what's become common in the west: making up entertaining hypothetical placements based on previous expectations of a team in the video game.
But after they do better than expectations, it's being shared as if their doubt was somehow unfounded and a barely noticeable gesture is being taken as disrespectful to the entire country
Ye good points
I think the JP fans are just so happy zeta is doing well, that they are just taking jokes as insults now
But honestly, I can only imagine how they are feeling, so y'know I'd let it slip
1king [#37]Maybe. But saying anything bad about any team can be deemed disrespectful if you care too much. Also, this isn't even a serious list. They only do these for the entertaining banter and hypotheticals.
true
Literally I have not seen any japanese val fans that were disrespectful in any forum even when they got shit on in so many events and even when they were treated like nobodies even when they were called free wins to whoever plays against them, they only got mad when their team who was working so hard and was trying their best to carry japans flag was being disrespected and was treated poorly so ofc they'd get mad 💀 it might not be that big of a deal for westerners but that isn't the same for Asia, though not all but mostly all of asians are thought to be respectful even to their opponents and yes banter can also happen in asian gaming community but what plat chat did and said wasn't even funny it was just plain disrespectful 💀 I mean I'm not that offended by plat chat but I'm sure the fans were but death threats are still not excused but hey they started it sooooo
Louie [#44]Literally I have not seen any japanese val fans that were disrespectful in any forum even when they got shit on in so many events and even when they were treated like nobodies even when they were called free wins to whoever plays against them, they only got mad when their team who was working so hard and was trying their best to carry japans flag was being disrespected and was treated poorly so ofc they'd get mad 💀 it might not be that big of a deal for westerners but that isn't the same for Asia, though not all but mostly all of asians are thought to be respectful even to their opponents and yes banter can also happen in asian gaming community but what plat chat did and said wasn't even funny it was just plain disrespectful 💀 I mean I'm not that offended by plat chat but I'm sure the fans were but death threats are still not excused but hey they started it sooooo
And just to add
Don't forget about cultural differences,just because being disrespectful is normal in the west or some regions doesn't mean it's ok for other regions and I don't mean to defend them and the death threats are very wrong but you can't expect them to be happy when their pride in val was being dogshowed right? But yeah I do think that there are people who overreacted but I can't simply say that they overreacted cause it didn't happen to me so idk
Gorbachov [#36]Death threats
"Peacefully"
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
This site just likes their AYAYA cute Japanese weebs more than bronzilians so the behavior gets excused
daz my bad i didnt see kurt's twitter until now. Bad apples analogy. Tho i would like to mention this is after someone has offended them not without a reason (I AM NOT DEFENDING THE DEATH THREATS JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS)
Louie [#45]And just to add
Don't forget about cultural differences,just because being disrespectful is normal in the west or some regions doesn't mean it's ok for other regions and I don't mean to defend them and the death threats are very wrong but you can't expect them to be happy when their pride in val was being dogshowed right? But yeah I do think that there are people who overreacted but I can't simply say that they overreacted cause it didn't happen to me so idk
well written.
Gyro [#50]never imagined that ppl will get mad over fliping a logo upside down
people online will always find a way send hate/get mad at something man
Hecking_Love_Tenz [#25]許すわけないだろ。
覚えてろよまじで。
I can't forgive you.
Remember, seriously.This comment got more than 100 likes on youtube I google translated.
I think some took it very seriously
I watched too many anime when I read your comment in japanese
1king [#37]Maybe. But saying anything bad about any team can be deemed disrespectful if you care too much. Also, this isn't even a serious list. They only do these for the entertaining banter and hypotheticals.
in Asia, we would understand that joke and not get offended but nobody would do it because it's kinda awkward. So if somebody do it, then we think yeah that's awkward but they still do it anyway meaning they have bad intent
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