What do you guys think, what is holding Japan back? Not being able to play against best teams all the time is definitely one of the reasons of their failure. But what would you change about the region or orgs involved in that region to make a better Japan for future VCT?
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Those are the reasons why they're merging LATAM North and South for the Challengers Finals, there's not a lot of dominating teams in both regions, but Korea and Japan are single countries. If 2 regions can't come out with 2 top tier teams qualifying to Masters, how could a single country do the same? Doing a Korea+Japan Challengers Finals with the top 2 teams of each region could give a chance for Japan to improve in the future.
Ofc that means a lot of imports not only for JP, but KR would import some of the best players from Japan too.
ok and? lol you said "Asians have a tendency of having not being that good at FPS games" i literally just proved you wrong and you shifted goalposts from FPS to CS which is also wrong because KR was a top region that routinely challenged for top 3 in CS 1.6, and now you're shifting again to Valorant even though Overwatch pros like Sayaplayer are doing well in competitive regions like NA.
Overwatch requires way more aim than CS or valorant, what are you talking about?
Overwatch has ZERO movement acceleration, each character has different hitboxes, and each character has different speeds and mobility (climbing walls, double jump, dashes, flying)
FPS=First Person Shooter. PUBG is a Battle Royale but it is also an FPS. You are talking about CS and Valorant, which is Tactical Shooter, and even then I proved you wrong with Korea's presence in CS 1.6 and Sayaplayer in NA.
You are building a narrative in your head that doesn't exist.
Ur comment just sound racist, u should say Asia teams not Asians when half of NA top teams have players with asian ethnicity. Anyway, I don't think you were around in cs 1.6 but KR and CN teams used to compete with the best in the world and win. Just search for estro, wnv, and tyloo. CS 1.6 is even more aim dependant than both valorant or cs go.
?????? Not at all, they're completely different games with mostly nontransferrable skills. That being said, my logic is certain types of aiming (like one tapping and tracking) is a lot harder in OW than in CS because of the increased movement and verticality. That makes the game more difficult in at least one catagory.
its just rough cause they dont have a big talent pool like other regions and they are a 1-2 team region. so their practice isnt very good at all.
merging with korea or apac might actually help the top teams improve cause they'll be playing against better players. its just really hard for zeta & cr to improve if they cant consistently practice against teams better than them.
I don’t think their players are that bad. But seem super unorganized, I would love to see them import in some really good coaches. To me, the current zeta remind of kru back in Iceland last year. Just super unorganized. If they get their shit together I can see them having some succes later in the year.
Japan doesn't have tactical fps experience honestly, they do play shooters like apex/OW but wasn't huge on cs. Just feels like laz and ex cs players still just better in these type of high pressure matches. You can tell when laz play his decision making and aim is just so much better. The other players seem so inexperienced and when they start performing bad seem like it just spiral and they become even worse.
people who say "they are new to fps" and drx for example are alot better and experienced etc are just straight up wrong and on copium
just found this funny match from hltv btw https://www.hltv.org/matches/2337888/mvp-pk-vs-absolute-extremesland-2019-asia-finals
it seems the japanese were actually a lot more competitive in cs maybe valorant just isnt their game
that was old zeta or absolute jupiter, the entire team rebuilt around Laz/Crow. You clearly can see laz still a lot better aim wise and decision making. Japan as a region are just really inexperienced in tactical fps like cs. Reason why you see DRX still dominating korea is because they have such strong cs backgrounds.
Their players are individually good. Each one of them can pop off at times.
The real problem here is coaching and strats. I mean come on, Astra? After the nerf? Despite how good SugarZ3ro is, Astra is not the move right now.
Imo, I think they should switch their academy and main roster coaches. Their academy roster coach is Vorz, the former NTH coach. The NTH team that came 2nd in APAC LCQ. XQQ is good as a supportive staff member, but not as a coach.
They just need to keep going fearlessly to the championships focusing on getting the most experience and without any respect against their opponents in-game. BR started this way, in CS and CSGO we were beaten in the beginning but after about 6 international tournaments we started to bother the contenders until finally winning the tournaments. Perserverance, lots of practice, many defeats and patience.
Their fundamentals are dogcheeks. It's not that their players are awful compared to other regions, it's that they cannot succeed in the structure they play in.
Honestly, getting a good coach and boot camping in EMEA/NA, or any region with an established practice structure, for an off-season to grind the fuck out of their fundamentals could really go a long way. I think it may be hard to spot issues playing in a region where you can win without having your problems exploited by other teams - almost similar to the way VS/DRX used to just walk up to sites and exec before losing to F4Q.
Importing players is a massive stopgap. It's a temporary solution that doesn't allow the scene to develop.
They really need good coaches and experienced tactical fps players aka ex csgo cause that was the tact fps games before valorant. Problem is their region is just so new to this genre, Idk if its possible to find any other coaches in japan that fill this criteria, maybe consider importing coaches. You're also pretty spot on about bootcamping/scrimming EU or korean teams.
Well i don't know much about tactical fps and the whole thing, but i can tell that players are individually not bad.
I think there is a problem with the region itself.(and probably coaches)
When people talk about the regions playstyle,(for example KR(my) region is considered heavily strat-based and good util usage, EU is similar to KR but have many teams competing, NA more individual gunfights, and...) I think JP don't have their own playstyle to compete in international tourney. The unique playstyles of each region can bring advantages(or sometimes disadvantages) in playing against teams in other regions.
And the reason I wrote 'and probably coaches' is that if the players couldn't play what coaches told them, it's not bad. They can just keep practicing.
But if the coaches aren't doing their job, the team can't go ahead. There must be changes.
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